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> Improved shifting for side shifters, bolt on? Maybe., Experimenting tonight.
Dr Evil
post Apr 14 2014, 10:14 PM
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I have had this though for a long time to try and remove as much slop as I can in the shifting system. The tail shifter is a bit trickier, but not impossible. I have a side shifter in my new 914 and so, while I build up a transmission for it to drive to Hershey this weekend (this will be the raffle transmission, BTW. Trial by fire!), I decided to see how simple it would be to remove some of the slop.

First, see how much of a gap there is between the shift selector comb and the rod. Attached Image

This is a huge amount so any bit that can be removed should be an improvement.

Step one was to add material to the sides of the comb faces (Yes, Scotty, I welded). Then, I hand filed the faces and re-formed them to a specific profile. The metal that was added was hardened and a real bitch to file. I figured it was worth it.

The end result was a much tighter fit.
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There are a few parameters that I will not go into that need to be respected to get this to work, but the preliminary results were nice on the bench. With the material added and profiled on the faces, the stick throw fore and aft to select gears decreases significantly. There is still refinement that needs to be done on the profile, but so far the preliminary results are encouraging.

Next, I will build a jig so I can directly observe and adjust my profile. And I will also be able to see where I can add material to take up the slack that one feels when they are in gear and can wiggle the stick back and forth.

Once I get this prototype done and tested, I can do this treatment to any side shift console on an exchange basis and it will be a quick bolt on improvement (I hope).
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post Apr 16 2014, 11:44 AM
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The RennShift addresses the large amount of friction in the factory shifter and adds the gate springs that 99% of manual transmissions are blessed with from the factory. Reducing play is only part of the picture. Lots of weak areas in the shift mechanism - have to hit all the links as each improvement makes the next one the weakest.

Edited out the drama after a good night's sleep...but you still get to see it quoted...
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post Apr 16 2014, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(JWest @ Apr 16 2014, 01:44 PM) *

QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Apr 16 2014, 11:24 AM) *

Where as a Rennshifter addresses the problem at the end of the chain, my solution will address it at the source and will be far less.

I don't see a slam on your product at all...I have seen before a defensive attitude in your response to perceived criticism ..I have seen great respect and appreciation from this site chatter for the rennshift..I am saving to purchase one soon...in in hobby viable solutions at a cheaper price than currently available will generate buzz...its not automaticly a knock on an already existing product .You and Jake get some skin thickner
Rant warning - sorry - you brought me into this...

I find it interestingly sad that many 914 owners feel the need to attack and put down those that produce parts specifically for these cars. I don't belive that I have EVER wronged anyone in a sale, yet you guys seem to treat me like the evil corporation after your money. I'm not StuffMart producing crap in China to put others out of business...

The RennShift addresses the large amount of friction in the factory shifter and adds the gate springs that 99% of manual transmissions are blessed with from the factory. Reducing play is only part of the picture.

As for the price, this is a very small market. If not for the similarities with the 911 version, I would not be able to make this a viable product at all.

I did make a cheaper version for a time - the RennShift Jr. Most of the features of the RennShift for half the price. Sold 2 in as many years. Price is not everything...

Sorry, but I feel that you guys go out of your way much too often to alienate rather than support those that make products for these cars (and it's not just me).

If you can make this product work well then it will be a good combo with the RennShift. Good luck with your progress - when I tried this mod I found that the pattern was overly constrained so it took too much deliberation follow a square corner from gear-to-gear. Much like driving with a true gated shifter in a Ferrari - cool, but kind of a pain.

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Dr Evil   Improved shifting for side shifters, bolt on? Maybe.   Apr 14 2014, 10:14 PM
boxsterfan   :popcorn:   Apr 14 2014, 10:23 PM
'73-914kid   What kind of clearance are you aiming for between ...   Apr 15 2014, 12:05 AM
Dr Evil   What kind of clearance are you aiming for between...   Apr 15 2014, 07:16 AM
HalfMoon   :popcorn:   Apr 15 2014, 01:18 AM
bulitt   Seems the play may be "designed in" to c...   Apr 15 2014, 04:37 AM
IanS   So you say this can be similarly engineered for ta...   Apr 15 2014, 09:34 AM
CptTripps   So you say this can be similarly engineered for t...   Apr 15 2014, 09:54 AM
mskala   So you say this can be similarly engineered for t...   Apr 15 2014, 10:43 AM
Dr Evil   So you say this can be similarly engineered for ...   Apr 15 2014, 10:59 AM
Dr Evil   For a tail shifter you would need the external shi...   Apr 15 2014, 10:53 AM
GeorgeRud   I always looked at that coupling and figured there...   Apr 15 2014, 11:36 AM
Dr Evil   My side shift kit would just be the shifter comb. ...   Apr 15 2014, 12:05 PM
Harpo   Looks good Doc :popcorn: David   Apr 15 2014, 03:16 PM
Dr Evil   Thanks man :)   Apr 15 2014, 03:23 PM
veekry9   Dr Evil: Delicate work,reducing the tolerance and ...   Apr 15 2014, 03:39 PM
Krieger   Cool!   Apr 15 2014, 03:51 PM
'73-914kid   Keep on pushing through with this Mike. BTW, if yo...   Apr 15 2014, 03:52 PM
Woody   :popcorn:   Apr 15 2014, 03:53 PM
914_teener   Doc. My box will be in transit in a week. I am ...   Apr 15 2014, 04:06 PM
Dr Evil   I'll at least be testing the one iteration of ...   Apr 15 2014, 05:39 PM
stugray   I have a tail shift laying in pieces from my last ...   Apr 15 2014, 05:50 PM
Dr Evil   I have a tail shift laying in pieces from my last...   Apr 15 2014, 06:09 PM
mepstein   I have a tail shift laying in pieces from my las...   Apr 15 2014, 06:48 PM
Dr Evil   Ok, recruited a neighbors early 912 box that I jus...   Apr 15 2014, 06:08 PM
Dr Evil   Excellent :evilgrin:   Apr 15 2014, 06:51 PM
yeahmag   Killer!   Apr 15 2014, 07:00 PM
Dr Evil   Success! Tonight was very good. I made a jig...   Apr 15 2014, 11:57 PM
Krieger   Id like to see one track tested this summer and he...   Apr 16 2014, 08:24 AM
Dr Evil   You and me both :) I will make a few to send to pe...   Apr 16 2014, 08:28 AM
CptTripps   Can't wait to see it this weekend! I MAY ...   Apr 16 2014, 09:46 AM
boxsterfan   Awesome thread!! Would love to reduce the...   Apr 16 2014, 09:48 AM
Dr Evil   Stock shift console with stock play: vb2lBHNAVk0 ...   Apr 16 2014, 09:52 AM
Dr Evil   Technical difficulties with imbedding....wait one....   Apr 16 2014, 09:53 AM
'73-914kid   Yepp, I'm sold. Love the lack of slop. Sign me...   Apr 16 2014, 09:59 AM
CptTripps   That's bad-ass dude. Going to be a HUGE hit.   Apr 16 2014, 10:01 AM
Black22   Looks good!! :beer2: :cheer: :headbanger...   Apr 16 2014, 10:04 AM
Dr Evil   Do or do not..... :evilgrin: I am feeling pretty ...   Apr 16 2014, 10:06 AM
Mblizzard   I am in for this!   Apr 16 2014, 10:18 AM
Dr Evil   Where as a Rennshifter addresses the problem at th...   Apr 16 2014, 10:24 AM
bulitt   Remind me how difficult it is to pull this rod out...   Apr 16 2014, 11:05 AM
rdauenhauer   Where as a Rennshifter addresses the problem at t...   Apr 16 2014, 11:06 AM
bulitt   Where as a Rennshifter addresses the problem at ...   Apr 16 2014, 11:34 AM
JWest   The RennShift addresses the large amount of fricti...   Apr 16 2014, 11:44 AM
ablesnead   Where as a Rennshifter addresses the problem at ...   Apr 16 2014, 05:47 PM
JWest   OK, unclenching performed - do I need to send a co...   Apr 16 2014, 07:40 PM
Dr Evil   I don't see a slam on your product at all......   Apr 16 2014, 07:46 PM
Dr Evil   Where as a Rennshifter addresses the problem at ...   Apr 16 2014, 07:34 PM
Dr Evil   Drama off: So, to change this unit you would need...   Apr 16 2014, 07:42 PM
timothy_nd28   Homeostasis has been achieved once again :)   Apr 16 2014, 08:10 PM
sixnotfour   do the math , large angles versus small angles.......   Apr 16 2014, 08:24 PM
HarveyH   My take on this: I'm visualizing the stock sh...   Apr 16 2014, 09:33 PM
euro911   My only question is, why you didn't get a pers...   Apr 16 2014, 10:31 PM
r_towle   What is the mod?   Apr 16 2014, 10:40 PM
rick 918-S   Careful welding on that internal shift part. If im...   Apr 16 2014, 11:23 PM
Dr Evil   :yap: Ya ya. I already posted about this. Way to s...   Apr 16 2014, 11:52 PM
Dr Evil   Alright, got the trans in last night/this morning....   Apr 17 2014, 10:26 PM
HalfMoon   Alright, got the trans in last night/this morning...   Apr 17 2014, 11:10 PM
scotty b   Alright, got the trans in last night/this morning...   Apr 18 2014, 05:47 AM
boxsterfan   Alright, got the trans in last night/this morning...   Apr 18 2014, 09:41 AM
Harpo   Don't fret Doc, We have faith. The right guy i...   Apr 18 2014, 03:50 AM
Dr Evil   About 1000mi tested. Adjustment was not spot on, b...   Apr 20 2014, 10:41 PM
HalfMoon   Hey Dr! Did you make anymore progress with thi...   May 29 2014, 10:57 PM
Dr Evil   Sorry, Dave. I have been super busy. I did figure ...   May 30 2014, 09:23 AM
HalfMoon   Sorry, Dave. I have been super busy. I did figure...   May 30 2014, 11:06 PM
Dr Evil   OK, I have some great news! Unfortunately my 2...   Sep 6 2014, 05:22 PM
HalfMoon   OK, I have some great news! Unfortunately my ...   Sep 6 2014, 07:46 PM
r_towle   Mount a camera......mounting the phone sounds like...   Sep 6 2014, 07:53 PM
Dr Evil   Sure, as soon as you buy one for me :jerk:   Sep 6 2014, 08:48 PM
gereed75   Sure, as soon as you buy one for me :jerk: Doc,...   Sep 6 2014, 09:43 PM
colingreene   Doc Send me a PM about your mini, I can probably h...   Sep 6 2014, 10:14 PM
stugray   Too bad you dont have a rennshifter to try it with...   Sep 7 2014, 10:37 AM
Dr Evil   gereed75, hell yes! Collin, I will PM you sho...   Sep 7 2014, 11:16 AM
Eric_Shea   My teener shifts notchy like a Ferrari. Biggest a...   Sep 7 2014, 11:56 AM
Dr Evil   Interesting. I wonder if that set up would benefit...   Sep 7 2014, 12:20 PM
gereed75   Doc, I have another method in mind that would achi...   Sep 7 2014, 08:38 PM
RobW   I had the full Renn to Renn set up on my old race ...   Sep 7 2014, 09:26 PM
Dr Evil   Indeed, Rob, if I can not beat the performance and...   Sep 7 2014, 09:28 PM
gereed75   Indeed, Rob, if I can not beat the performance an...   Sep 7 2014, 10:03 PM
maf914   At the base of the gear shift lever in the cockpit...   Sep 8 2014, 07:06 AM
Racer Chris   That bushing is brass. It doesn't wear much s...   Sep 8 2014, 07:24 AM
maf914   Chris, Thanks for the info. I have had the gear s...   Sep 8 2014, 02:16 PM
HalfMoon   Hey! Do those shifting fingers get bunged up o...   Sep 9 2014, 08:11 PM
Dr Evil   They can, but yours look fine....in a blurry pic k...   Sep 9 2014, 08:47 PM
HalfMoon   They can, but yours look fine....in a blurry pic ...   Sep 9 2014, 08:56 PM
Dr Evil   I finally got some impartial feed back a few night...   Sep 19 2014, 07:42 AM
Kansas 914   I finally got some impartial feed back a few nigh...   Sep 19 2014, 08:13 AM
Spoke   Thanks for letting me drive your car. That was a b...   Sep 19 2014, 12:09 PM
Joe Ricard   I messed with this about 5 years ago on my own. I...   Sep 19 2014, 02:09 PM


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