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Oil pressure concern |
914itis |
Apr 23 2014, 06:27 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
My drive to Hershey was flawless. I drive with the newly converted 6 for the first time a total of over 500 miles ov weekend.
The engine sounds great and handles great, however I have a glitch on the oil pressure gauge and light that I would like to figure it out and solved. When the engine is cold and the car is idling at about 1200, the light is off and the pressure gauge goes up over the 3 mark, as the engine warms up it goes down to 1 at idle and will not go pass the 1 1/2 mark at any rpm as shown on the picture ;the light will come on at a full stop (1000 rpm) I am using brad Penn 20x50 oil I am wondering if it's the pressure sender or oil overfill. All comments appreciated The motor is 6yl stock 2.0 Attached thumbnail(s) |
r_towle |
Apr 23 2014, 06:34 AM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,564 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
Do you have an external cooler and thermostat?
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914itis |
Apr 23 2014, 06:59 AM
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brant |
Apr 23 2014, 07:16 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,613 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Most likely loose tolerances (worn motor). And heats effect on the oil
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SLITS |
Apr 23 2014, 07:21 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
Can't speak for the oil light, but on flat sixes up to the 3.0L, the gauge was a 10 Bar (140 psig). Using a 10 Bar sender with a 5 Bar gauge might not work really well. Maybe you have a gauge / sender mismatch.
My gauge shows 0 at hot idle, but my oil light does not come on. Overfilling will not cause a reduction in oil pressure. It will cause oil to be blown out of the tank thru the vent. On cold startup, my engine throws 100+ psig at 2K RPM, but then settles down to about 10 psig per 1000 RPM. Electrical gauges are subject to 40 year old wiring connections. I would buy a cheap mechanical gauge and plumb it in to verify your gauge readings. |
914itis |
Apr 23 2014, 07:41 AM
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Apr 23 2014, 09:00 AM
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Randal |
Apr 23 2014, 09:09 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,446 Joined: 29-May 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 750 |
Can't speak for the oil light, but on flat sixes up to the 3.0L, the gauge was a 10 Bar (140 psig). Using a 10 Bar sender with a 5 Bar gauge might not work really well. Maybe you have a gauge / sender mismatch. My gauge shows 0 at hot idle, but my oil light does not come on. Overfilling will not cause a reduction in oil pressure. It will cause oil to be blown out of the tank thru the vent. On cold startup, my engine throws 100+ psig at 2K RPM, but then settles down to about 10 psig per 1000 RPM. Electrical gauges are subject to 40 year old wiring connections. I would buy a cheap mechanical gauge and plumb it in to verify your gauge readings. +1 Mechanical gauges are great and give you piece of mind. I had a big red light installed on my dash that would light up if low oil pressure was experienced. Motors are expensive and gauges or warning lights cheap! |
stownsen914 |
Apr 24 2014, 12:56 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 912 Joined: 3-October 06 From: Ossining, NY Member No.: 6,985 Region Association: None |
Can't speak for the oil light, but on flat sixes up to the 3.0L, the gauge was a 10 Bar (140 psig). Using a 10 Bar sender with a 5 Bar gauge might not work really well. Maybe you have a gauge / sender mismatch. The above was my first thought ... If you've got the right parts, sometimes they do go bad, so you can try swapping them out if you (or a budd) happen to have a spare. Also make sure your ground is good. Oil pressure is a really important thing to have right, so do figure it out before you run the engine much. Scott |
brant |
Apr 24 2014, 01:50 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,613 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Can't speak for the oil light, but on flat sixes up to the 3.0L, the gauge was a 10 Bar (140 psig). Using a 10 Bar sender with a 5 Bar gauge might not work really well. Maybe you have a gauge / sender mismatch. The above was my first thought ... If you've got the right parts, sometimes they do go bad, so you can try swapping them out if you (or a budd) happen to have a spare. Also make sure your ground is good. Oil pressure is a really important thing to have right, so do figure it out before you run the engine much. Scott I Agee you should figure this out. What are the motor compression numbers and mileage. Definitely worth trying the senders too |
yeahmag |
Apr 24 2014, 03:29 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,421 Joined: 18-April 05 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 3,946 Region Association: Southern California |
I always wanted to mount a mechanical sender in the engine bay. What are you guys running for a quality unit?
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Cap'n Krusty |
Apr 24 2014, 04:01 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
911s, even the 2 liter engines, run what most non-Porsche people consider scary low oil pressure. When the 2.7 came to market, Porsche changed the oil pressure switch for the light to one with a lower threshold so the light wouldn't come on at idle. At this time, that switch is what you put in all the air cooled 911 engines. If your switch is working correctly and the light comes on at 900 RPM, you're running at less than .5 BAR. That's around 7 PSI. If your temps aren't unusually high, if you're running 20w50, and your idle isn't less than 900 RPM, you may have a problem. First thing I would suggest is installing updated cam tower oil fittings. They're somewhat more restrictive and should raise your overall oil pressure a little. After that, you may have to look into major surgery ......................
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914itis |
Apr 24 2014, 04:40 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
I just spoke to a local expert who confirmed the capt'n's post about the low pressure on these 2 litter motors. As far as the pressure gauge, I will try a mechanical gauge and see the results.
Compression was at 175 lbs all around . Motor runs great. |
914itis |
Apr 26 2014, 06:00 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
Any recommendations , thread size on a mechanical pressure gauge that can be had at the local FLAPS?
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914itis |
Apr 26 2014, 09:03 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
Feeling better today, I pulled the sender and it is a 10 bar gauge. That makes me feel a lot better.
As always you guys nailed it! now on the hunt for a 5 bar sending unit. |
Steve |
Apr 26 2014, 09:25 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,570 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California |
Pelican sells them.
I just bought one for my Tri gauge cluster http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/smart/...%2533%2529%2520 |
914itis |
Apr 26 2014, 11:03 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
Pelican sells them. I just bought one for my Tri gauge cluster http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/smart/...%2533%2529%2520 Thanks That's a single . I need a dual sender . |
Dave_Darling |
Apr 26 2014, 11:42 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,981 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
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Steve |
Apr 26 2014, 08:53 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,570 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California |
That would be equal to 5.5 bar. I guess that's close enough. |
914itis |
Apr 28 2014, 12:15 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
Picked up a 5 bar sender from the great Bruce . I got it today and my pressure is fine.
Thanks to you all. |
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