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> I think my clutch exploded, Edit...actually a rear axle split in half
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post Jul 30 2014, 07:34 PM
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Shit, what a nightmare. The output flanges on the trans are 108mm. How big of a deal is it to swap output flanges and stub axles?
Is it a tough job or should I take this to a shop? Let me start by saying that I don't have a lift or a way to drop the engine/trans. I'd be doing this from under the car. I'm not afraid of some wrenching, but if there's any precision measurements involved, or anything like that, I'd rather take it to a shop.

Or is there a place to buy a similar spacer like what's on the driver's side and just get 911 axles?
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post Jul 30 2014, 08:06 PM
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Those do look like the thicker 911 cv's. Not sure why they bothered with those for a stock motor. Guess that is what they got doing the 5-lug setup. Those axles are shorter which is why there is that patch piece which is what broke. I'd recommend getting a replacement from Sway Away. They can make the axle the right length in the thicker size you have. Plus they are very reasonable


From what I gather, or rather infer from dealing with this car, is the guy Scotty Boy bought this car from was planning on doing a full 6 GT conversion, and probably gave up when it came to the engine. The front suspension is all 911 with M calipers, vented rotors, and 911 5 lug hubs. Apparently, now I've found out, the rear is all 911 as well.

But I think you're right about the Sway Aways. Seems like probably the best way to go at this point. I was just reading some posts from Eric Shea about this in regards to 5 lug conversions. I think I'll call them up tomorrow and get a 20.25" axle set with 28 splines for the 911 CV's. Part #2420
http://www.swayaway.com/OffRoadRacing.php

These are the correct spline count CV's for the flanges I have, correct?

I'll be replacing the CV's as well. What's a reliable source for 930 CV kits? I know from my Karmann Ghia days that there's a lot of chinese crap out there in the air-cooled world. I'd like to avoid that stuff.
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post Jul 30 2014, 09:52 PM
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Take it off, measure the length and spline count. I may have a spare. In fact I have several axles in 33 & 28 spline of various lengths. I might be able to match one up to one of my collection. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 30 2014, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(era vulgaris @ Jul 30 2014, 07:06 PM) *

QUOTE(JRust @ Jul 29 2014, 08:07 PM) *

Those do look like the thicker 911 cv's. Not sure why they bothered with those for a stock motor. Guess that is what they got doing the 5-lug setup. Those axles are shorter which is why there is that patch piece which is what broke. I'd recommend getting a replacement from Sway Away. They can make the axle the right length in the thicker size you have. Plus they are very reasonable


From what I gather, or rather infer from dealing with this car, is the guy Scotty Boy bought this car from was planning on doing a full 6 GT conversion, and probably gave up when it came to the engine. The front suspension is all 911 with M calipers, vented rotors, and 911 5 lug hubs. Apparently, now I've found out, the rear is all 911 as well.

But I think you're right about the Sway Aways. Seems like probably the best way to go at this point. I was just reading some posts from Eric Shea about this in regards to 5 lug conversions. I think I'll call them up tomorrow and get a 20.25" axle set with 28 splines for the 911 CV's. Part #2420
http://www.swayaway.com/OffRoadRacing.php

These are the correct spline count CV's for the flanges I have, correct?

I'll be replacing the CV's as well. What's a reliable source for 930 CV kits? I know from my Karmann Ghia days that there's a lot of chinese crap out there in the air-cooled world. I'd like to avoid that stuff.



You will probably not need to replace the CV joints. Can't tell if they are 930 or 911. They are much more robust than the tiny 914 cv joints. If you do replace them get Lobro German made ones. Pelican or the other supplier s carry them. Come to think of it I believe 930 CV joints have 6 bolts. They are probably early 911. I think 69-73.
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post Jul 30 2014, 11:09 PM
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If you do pull the axle and stub axle do not roll the car around. You will break the wheel bearing. Put the stub axle back in if you need to move the car.
At least remove the broken half from the trans. Pretty sure it is early 911 not 930. Still good cv joints.
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post Jul 30 2014, 11:19 PM
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Bruce, if it hasn't been said, you are the man! I'm going to pull the axles and CVs and check everything out.
Mike Bellis, I'll let you know the measurements once the axles get pulled and maybe if you have something in the right size we can work something out.
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post Jul 31 2014, 07:43 PM
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So I managed to get the trans side of the axle off. They are 28 spline axles with 4-bolt early 911 CV's.

I can't seem to get the wheel side of the axle and CV off. I've removed all 4 bolts that hold the CV joint on, but it won't separate from the stub axle. Is there a trick to getting it to separate?

I'd rather not remove the stub axle since I'm only replacing the axles, and I also don't have a big enough socket for the castellated nut. 1 1/16" is the largest I've got, what size is that nut if I do have to remove it?
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post Jul 31 2014, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE(era vulgaris @ Jul 31 2014, 09:43 PM) *

1 1/16" is the largest I've got, what size is that nut if I do have to remove it?


30mm is the size of the stub axle nut.
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post Jul 31 2014, 08:41 PM
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Use the axle like a slide hammer to get it off.
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post Jul 31 2014, 08:46 PM
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Just buy a pair of free floating Sway-A-Way axles. $325.00 for a pair. 28 spline and 914 length. Free floating so they find their natural torque curve. Easy-Peasy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=91963
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post Jul 31 2014, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Jul 31 2014, 10:46 PM) *

Just buy a pair of free floating Sway-A-Way axles. $325.00 for a pair. 28 spline and 914 length. Free floating so they find their natural torque curve. Easy-Peasy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=91963


Awesome, thanks for the confirmation on that, Eric! I just wanted to be sure that was the correct length.
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post Jul 31 2014, 08:57 PM
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Use the axle like a slide hammer to get it off.


That's what I was trying to do. I was worried I might damage the CV if I pulled too hard. Is that something to worry about, or should I just yank that thing? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jul 31 2014, 09:30 PM
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You will. You can crack the cage. Best to take it to a press and simply press it out. The right tools make it simple. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jul 31 2014, 09:33 PM
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These are chrome moly and cheaper... This is what I'm running.

http://www.pacificcustoms.com/porsche-930-...moly-axles.html
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Sorry, are you talking about getting the stub axle out?
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post Jul 31 2014, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE(Mike Bellis @ Jul 31 2014, 09:33 PM) *

These are chrome moly and cheaper... This is what I'm running.

http://www.pacificcustoms.com/porsche-930-...moly-axles.html



Oooo... That is a great price.
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Jul 31 2014, 11:34 PM) *

Sorry, are you talking about getting the stub axle out?


No, I'm talking about separating the CV from the stub axle. Since the axle split, I've got two halves to deal with. I got the half (and one CV) separated from the trans side. But the other half I can't remove. I have all 4 bolts removed from the wheel-side CV, but it won't pull out of the trailing arm.

Should I just pull it like hell, or will that damage the CV?

I'd like to avoid removing the stub axle if possible.
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post Jul 31 2014, 09:54 PM
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You're stuck on the dowel pins. You can use a screwdriver or pry bar to wiggle the CV and it should come out.
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Put a screwdriver on the "gasket" by the dowels as Mike mentions. Tap it in and work it back and forth. Both sides. It will come.
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post Jul 31 2014, 10:07 PM
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Thanks guys! I'll give it a try in the morning.
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