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> anyone played with boxster gauge cluster?
skeates
post Jul 29 2014, 09:57 PM
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Hey guys - I'm not sure if this is a subject that has been beaten to death before (I certainly wasn't able to find any threads on it), but has anyone here ever attempted to make use of the boxster or cousin 996 gauge clusters in a conversion? I was able to find a pin-out diagram for the boxster cluster which makes it look doable. Just curious if there was any fancy shmancy communications between the cluster and the ECU that would need to be worked around?
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post Sep 20 2014, 08:08 AM
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No, the voltages do not oscillate as in a motor, but rather each coil generates a magnetic field, and being at 90 degrees of each other, generate a magnetic field at an angle of atan(I coil1/I coil2). So you can achieve deflection of +/-45 degrees with a current level from 0 to max in coil1 (simultaneously changing current in coil2 from max to 0). There is a bar magnet on the needle which aligns with this field, causing the needle to move.

Try to solder wires on the motor pins and re-assemble to run the test and take measurements.
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post Sep 20 2014, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Sep 20 2014, 07:04 AM) *

While I dig the scholastic effort in figuring out the step frequency and such, I must wonder if the modification of a stock 914 fuel gauge into the panel would not be loads simpler as you can then use the stock sender, and tank, and..... However, I in no way wish to dissuade you from the path you have chosen as it is very interesting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Thanks for the suggestions! I do happen to have my old fuel gauge hanging out in the garage. I've just hesitated to take it apart since it's a perfectly functional stock gauge that someone might want. If my own attempts to build this circuit fail, I'll likely use that as my fall back.

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No, the voltages do not oscillate as in a motor, but rather each coil generates a magnetic field, and being at 90 degrees of each other, generate a magnetic field at an angle of atan(I coil1/I coil2). So you can achieve deflection of +/-45 degrees with a current level from 0 to max in coil1 (simultaneously changing current in coil2 from max to 0). There is a bar magnet on the needle which aligns with this field, causing the needle to move.

Try to solder wires on the motor pins and re-assemble to run the test and take measurements.


Interesting. I'll see what I can do about getting some wires soldered on. We just moved and I no longer have a 240V outlet for my soldering iron (was "junk" being thrown away from an INTEL factory overseas). It's perfect for this stuff, but I need to get a power supply or install an outlet for it. In the mean time it looks like I have some reading up to do on driving air-core motors. Thanks for the link!

Should have some progress to report later tonight!
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skeates   anyone played with boxster gauge cluster?   Jul 29 2014, 09:57 PM
Dave_Darling   Depending on the year of Boxster/996, the answer a...   Jul 29 2014, 10:14 PM
jd74914   I would be highly surprised if the newer stuff did...   Jul 30 2014, 06:02 AM
stugray   If you have the pinouts, please post them. I have...   Jul 30 2014, 07:16 AM
skeates   If you have the pinouts, please post them. I hav...   Jul 30 2014, 02:48 PM
Mike Bellis   I'm running a 2000 VW cluster and it does comm...   Jul 30 2014, 07:45 AM
skeates   @ Dave_Darling: I figured anything 2004 or newer w...   Jul 30 2014, 02:45 PM
jd74914   You are running an Infinity? Which one? We looke...   Jul 31 2014, 07:41 AM
skeates   You are running an Infinity? Which one? We look...   Jul 31 2014, 10:19 AM
jd74914   You are running an Infinity? Which one? We loo...   Jul 31 2014, 11:23 AM
CptTripps   Looking forward to seeing progress. Those clusters...   Jul 31 2014, 09:14 AM
skeates   Ok, I bit the bullet and purchased a boxster gauge...   Sep 3 2014, 05:44 PM
skeates   The local hardware store was having a sale on the ...   Sep 3 2014, 05:52 PM
Dave_Darling   One thing I have heard that is important here, if ...   Sep 3 2014, 06:14 PM
skeates   One thing I have heard that is important here, if...   Sep 3 2014, 06:26 PM
skeates   So, until someone tells me this is cluttering up t...   Sep 15 2014, 01:07 PM
SirAndy   :trophy: That looks better than i thought it wou...   Sep 15 2014, 01:22 PM
purple505uk   So, until someone tells me this is cluttering up ...   Oct 26 2015, 02:07 PM
Dr Evil   Wow, very nice work :)   Sep 17 2014, 07:36 AM
Sleepin   Sweet! :popcorn:   Sep 17 2014, 08:49 AM
boxsterfan   Fuchin' awesome!!   Sep 17 2014, 09:05 AM
Dr Evil   Question, just say you have to rely on the engines...   Sep 17 2014, 09:22 AM
skeates   Question, just say you have to rely on the engine...   Sep 17 2014, 06:34 PM
timothy_nd28   It would be difficult to defeat the ECU communicat...   Sep 17 2014, 09:35 PM
skeates   It would be difficult to defeat the ECU communica...   Sep 19 2014, 03:43 PM
worn   It would be difficult to defeat the ECU communica...   Sep 19 2014, 07:13 PM
CptTripps   :agree: with Andy. This looks a TON better than I ...   Sep 18 2014, 08:45 AM
Dr Evil   Oooooo :) I like the splicing into the OE motor m...   Sep 19 2014, 03:47 PM
timothy_nd28   To see how this air core motor is wired internally...   Sep 19 2014, 04:07 PM
skeates   To see how this air core motor is wired internall...   Sep 19 2014, 04:45 PM
timothy_nd28   Ok. If you reset the board and have the fuel gauge...   Sep 19 2014, 07:53 PM
904svo   From the reading you have a stepper motor gas gaug...   Sep 19 2014, 08:14 PM
skeates   From the reading you have a stepper motor gas gau...   Sep 21 2014, 04:09 PM
skeates   Just finished taking some voltage readings on the ...   Sep 19 2014, 11:28 PM
timothy_nd28   Is the needle fixed at full level but the voltages...   Sep 19 2014, 11:35 PM
skeates   Is the needle fixed at full level but the voltage...   Sep 20 2014, 12:03 AM
Dr Evil   While I dig the scholastic effort in figuring out ...   Sep 20 2014, 08:04 AM
timothy_nd28   No, the voltages do not oscillate as in a motor, b...   Sep 20 2014, 08:08 AM
skeates   While I dig the scholastic effort in figuring out...   Sep 20 2014, 03:55 PM
Dr Evil   Fascinating. I have never heard of aircore gauges....   Sep 20 2014, 08:15 AM
timothy_nd28   In my signature, i did a write up on how to do a t...   Sep 20 2014, 08:57 AM
Dr Evil   Looked at it, bumped it :) Good stuff. Would the...   Sep 20 2014, 11:27 AM
timothy_nd28   Absolutely using the original sender, everything w...   Sep 20 2014, 11:48 AM
timothy_nd28   Absolutely using the original sender, everything w...   Sep 20 2014, 11:49 AM
Dr Evil   Badass!   Sep 20 2014, 12:20 PM
timothy_nd28   We will help you with the calculations needed for ...   Sep 20 2014, 04:49 PM
Dr Evil   The link on wiki has some suggestions for driver c...   Sep 20 2014, 05:20 PM
stugray   Great work! On a slightly related note: Just...   Sep 21 2014, 04:36 PM
skeates   The link on wiki has some suggestions for driver ...   Sep 22 2014, 12:37 AM
CptTripps   That's just bad ass....   Sep 22 2014, 07:59 AM
timothy_nd28   Awesome! Sorry for sending you down a wrong p...   Sep 22 2014, 11:20 AM
skeates   Awesome! Sorry for sending you down a wrong ...   Sep 22 2014, 12:05 PM
Scott S   Wow. I have never felt dumber. There are some smar...   Sep 22 2014, 12:01 PM
Philip W.   Wow. I have never felt dumber. There are some sma...   Sep 23 2014, 07:31 AM
Dr Evil   Not that it matters now, since you have been exper...   Sep 23 2014, 07:15 AM
ruby914   Nice work Skeates! The Boxter cluster up agai...   Sep 23 2014, 10:02 AM
skeates   Not that it matters now, since you have been expe...   Sep 23 2014, 10:57 AM
Dr Evil   All of my shit is in boxes in the back of a truck ...   Sep 23 2014, 05:52 PM
Chris914n6   Cluster fit doesn't look too far off. The loop...   Sep 25 2014, 02:27 AM


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