Home  |  Forums  |  914 Info  |  Blogs
 
914World.com - The fastest growing online 914 community!
 
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way.
Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners.
 

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

2 Pages V  1 2 >  
 Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Porsche testing a new 4 cylinder engine on the Ring, video
johannes
post Aug 1 2014, 09:37 AM
Post #1


Club Porsche 914 France President
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3,084
Joined: 13-January 06
From: France
Member No.: 5,409
Region Association: France
This was posted today on Jalopnik and sounds like a 4 banger to me... Flat 4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Yr3DiNOig


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ThePaintedMan
post Aug 1 2014, 09:58 AM
Post #2


Advanced Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3,886
Joined: 6-September 11
From: St. Petersburg, FL
Member No.: 13,527
Region Association: South East States
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) turboed-4!

Sounds cool! Kind of similar to a Suby.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
johannes
post Aug 1 2014, 10:28 AM
Post #3


Club Porsche 914 France President
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3,084
Joined: 13-January 06
From: France
Member No.: 5,409
Region Association: France
If I do the maths from the actual engine range and I remove 2 cylinders I take te same power ratio, I get theese numbers:

1804 cc from 175 to 185 hp (not likely)
1804 cc turbo up to 245 hp
2291 cc from 210 to 215 hp (not likely)
2291 cc turbo up to 335 hp
2533 cc up to 265 hp
2533 cc turbo from 345 to 375 hp
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Kansas 914
post Aug 1 2014, 11:34 AM
Post #4


Advanced Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2,999
Joined: 1-March 03
From: Durango, Colorado
Member No.: 373
Region Association: Rocky Mountains
Up to 395HP?

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140321/O...ve-mpg-handling


http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/future-cars...-cylinder-boxer
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
johannes
post Aug 1 2014, 12:18 PM
Post #5


Club Porsche 914 France President
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3,084
Joined: 13-January 06
From: France
Member No.: 5,409
Region Association: France
I made my calculation based on power to cc ratio of the existing engines.
The 911S engine makes 560.
560 x 4/6 = 373 not 395
Reporters write what they want because they have no information about this engine at all.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
JmuRiz
post Aug 1 2014, 12:26 PM
Post #6


914 Guru
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 5,427
Joined: 30-December 02
From: NoVA
Member No.: 50
Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
QUOTE(ThePaintedMan @ Aug 1 2014, 07:58 AM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) turboed-4!

Sounds cool! Kind of similar to a Suby.

Yep, sounds like a wrx engine....nice. So many rumors, I wonder what they are actually working on for this engine and the possible GT4 (same car?)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Kansas 914
post Aug 1 2014, 12:45 PM
Post #7


Advanced Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2,999
Joined: 1-March 03
From: Durango, Colorado
Member No.: 373
Region Association: Rocky Mountains
QUOTE(johannes @ Aug 1 2014, 12:18 PM) *

I made my calculation based on power to cc ratio of the existing engines.
The 911S engine makes 560.
560 x 4/6 = 373 not 395
Reporters write what they want because they have no information about this engine at all.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
johannes
post Aug 1 2014, 02:03 PM
Post #8


Club Porsche 914 France President
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3,084
Joined: 13-January 06
From: France
Member No.: 5,409
Region Association: France
THis will make an owsome upgrade for 914 in 10-15 years ...
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
914_teener
post Aug 1 2014, 04:59 PM
Post #9


914 Guru
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 5,198
Joined: 31-August 08
From: So. Cal
Member No.: 9,489
Region Association: Southern California
QUOTE(johannes @ Aug 1 2014, 01:03 PM) *

THis will make an owsome upgrade for 914 in 10-15 years ...



My thoughts exactly!
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Elliot Cannon
post Aug 1 2014, 05:03 PM
Post #10


914 Guru
*****

Group: Retired Members
Posts: 8,487
Joined: 29-December 06
From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast)
Member No.: 7,407
Region Association: None
It doesn't matter how efficient that motor might be, I doubt very much if people will want that engine in a 911. Cayman and Boxter maybe but who wants a 4cyl 911?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
914_teener
post Aug 1 2014, 05:44 PM
Post #11


914 Guru
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 5,198
Joined: 31-August 08
From: So. Cal
Member No.: 9,489
Region Association: Southern California
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Aug 1 2014, 04:03 PM) *

It doesn't matter how efficient that motor might be, I doubt very much if people will want that engine in a 911. Cayman and Boxter maybe but who wants a 4cyl 911?




http://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/transpo...rs/index_en.htm


Think they are thinking about 10 years from now Elliot.....If I read this right, emission cuts by law for the EU are difficult to make.

I don't know if Porsche are exempt from these in the US market though.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
johannes
post Aug 2 2014, 08:40 AM
Post #12


Club Porsche 914 France President
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3,084
Joined: 13-January 06
From: France
Member No.: 5,409
Region Association: France
They need to have 4 cylinder engines in their range to comply with the new regulation. It may not sell very well but it is mandatory to lower average co2 on the range.
"The fleet average to be achieved by all new cars is 130 grams of CO2 per kilometre (g/km) by 2015 – with the target phased in from 2012 - and 95g/km by 2021, phased in from 2020".
This is also why they put a lot of hybrid models in their range. Hybridation also allows smaller and lighter petrol engines
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
mgp4591
post Aug 2 2014, 08:52 AM
Post #13


914 Guru
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 5,374
Joined: 1-August 12
From: Salt Lake City Ut
Member No.: 14,748
Region Association: Intermountain Region
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Aug 1 2014, 05:03 PM) *

It doesn't matter how efficient that motor might be, I doubt very much if people will want that engine in a 911. Cayman and Boxter maybe but who wants a 4cyl 911?

Isn't that called a 912? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
johannes
post Aug 3 2014, 01:34 AM
Post #14


Club Porsche 914 France President
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3,084
Joined: 13-January 06
From: France
Member No.: 5,409
Region Association: France
Yes it was called a 912... will the new Cayman with four banger be called a 914 ? ... no
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
mgp4591
post Aug 3 2014, 02:47 AM
Post #15


914 Guru
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 5,374
Joined: 1-August 12
From: Salt Lake City Ut
Member No.: 14,748
Region Association: Intermountain Region
QUOTE(johannes @ Aug 3 2014, 01:34 AM) *

Yes it was called a 912... will the new Cayman with four banger be called a 914 ? ... no

How about a K914?! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Brett W
post Aug 3 2014, 09:21 AM
Post #16


Advanced Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2,856
Joined: 17-September 03
From: huntsville, al
Member No.: 1,169
Region Association: None
Unless Porsche purposely developed an unequal length exhaust, that doesn't sound like a four cylinder. The only reason a Suby sounds like a Suby is the weird exhaust port configuration. If you build an equal length header it still sounds like a regular four cylinder. Even Subaru has changed the new engines to a more equal length exhaust port and header configuration. They do not sound like the old engines.

I question the four cylinder observation. That sounds more like a V8 of some variety. It revs too slow to be a four cylinder and it has that much deeper tone of a V8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ywFMCkDdG8
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
johannes
post Aug 3 2014, 11:16 AM
Post #17


Club Porsche 914 France President
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3,084
Joined: 13-January 06
From: France
Member No.: 5,409
Region Association: France
QUOTE(Brett W @ Aug 3 2014, 07:21 AM) *

Unless Porsche purposely developed an unequal length exhaust, that doesn't sound like a four cylinder. The only reason a Suby sounds like a Suby is the weird exhaust port configuration. If you build an equal length header it still sounds like a regular four cylinder. Even Subaru has changed the new engines to a more equal length exhaust port and header configuration. They do not sound like the old engines.

I question the four cylinder observation. That sounds more like a V8 of some variety. It revs too slow to be a four cylinder and it has that much deeper tone of a V8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ywFMCkDdG8

A V8 would be a weird downsizing strategy ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KC0SpNZEJk
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
ripper911
post Aug 4 2014, 05:22 AM
Post #18


corde pulsum tangite
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2,920
Joined: 25-April 10
From: Powder Springs, GA
Member No.: 11,654
Region Association: South East States
QUOTE(johannes @ Aug 3 2014, 03:34 AM) *

Yes it was called a 912... will the new Cayman with four banger be called a 914 ? ... no


914E
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Brett W
post Aug 4 2014, 10:12 PM
Post #19


Advanced Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2,856
Joined: 17-September 03
From: huntsville, al
Member No.: 1,169
Region Association: None
Could be some testing for this engine:
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/07/p...ht/#more-862113
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Andyrew
post Aug 5 2014, 12:03 AM
Post #20


Spooling.... Please wait
**********

Group: Members
Posts: 13,376
Joined: 20-January 03
From: Riverbank, Ca
Member No.: 172
Region Association: Northern California
QUOTE(johannes @ Aug 1 2014, 09:28 AM) *

If I do the maths from the actual engine range and I remove 2 cylinders I take te same power ratio, I get theese numbers:

1804 cc from 175 to 185 hp (not likely)
1804 cc turbo up to 245 hp
2291 cc from 210 to 215 hp (not likely)
2291 cc turbo up to 335 hp
2533 cc up to 265 hp
2533 cc turbo from 345 to 375 hp



With DI and the new turbo technologies you can add about 25-50% to all of those numbers.


That being said.. That doesnt sound like anything i've heard under 2L. That engine has some displacement..
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
« Next Oldest · 914World Garage · Next Newest »
 

2 Pages V  1 2 >
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

Display Mode: Standard · Switch to: Linear+ · Switch to: Outline

Track this topic · Email this topic · Print this topic · Subscribe to this forum

- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 17th May 2024 - 06:16 PM
Invision Power Board v9.1.4 © 2024  IPS, Inc.
All rights reserved 914World.com © since 2002
914World.com is the fastest growing online 914 community!
We have it all, classifieds, events, forums, vendors, parts, autocross, racing, technical articles, events calendar, newsletter, restoration, gallery, archives, history and more for your Porsche 914 ...