FS: No Way this is a Real '70 914-6 on Ebay Options

[PancakePorsche]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Porsche-914-9...=p2056016.l4276

There is a lot wrong with this car:
adjustable passenger seat with '75-'76 large basket weave.
Dash knobs incorrect.
Drivers seat back cushion large basket weave, bottom cushion small basket weave.
COA say originally Tangerine, I don't see Tangerine anywhere on this car, paint code plate is either painted over or missing.
Door panels large basket weave.
Throttle handle red.

That's enough, someone else chime in.

Body is early 1974. Someone went through a lot of trouble to fool nobody. If this dealer bought this car from someone or some auction, they are getting that sick, sinking feeling right about now.

[rhodyguy]

How about the blue car @ 62k? Reserve appears to have been met with time left. Wow!

[Cairo94507]

This car definitely has a later front clip at the minimum. I do not see what everyone is talking about re the front fender VIN being seamed in. It looks to me like the VIN was taped over and then the trunk sprayed and the tape pulled. I do not see evidence of that VIN being welded in. Also the rest of the observations are accurate, adjustable passenger seat (pretty common upgrade on early cars with the fixed seat). Door panels replaced, jack mount missing, etc. I am not sure about it being a chassis swap as I do not know about the rear trunk number sequences and my car is in VA so I can't remember where that number belongs.... But this car at the minimum needs a complete and thorough inspection by a 914-6 expert to determine what it is or isn't. Just having a COA does not make it a real Six.

[dlkawashima]

Hmmm, just clicked on the link now and got ...

"This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing."

[Michael N]

Adding some photos for future reference once the ebay listing is removed.













Vin 9140430649 .

[Jonathan Livesay]

This car definitely has a later front clip at the minimum. I do not see what everyone is talking about re the front fender VIN being seamed in. It looks to me like the VIN was taped over and then the trunk sprayed and the tape pulled. I do not see evidence of that VIN being welded in. Also the rest of the observations are accurate, adjustable passenger seat (pretty common upgrade on early cars with the fixed seat). Door panels replaced, jack mount missing, etc. I am not sure about it being a chassis swap as I do not know about the rear trunk number sequences and my car is in VA so I can't remember where that number belongs.... But this car at the minimum needs a complete and thorough inspection by a 914-6 expert to determine what it is or isn't. Just having a COA does not make it a real Six.

Agree with you on the front vin, but if it got a front clip then it got a back clip as well since the chassis serial number is for a 4 cyl, both in sequence and location, and the jack mounts are for '73 and on. So then I guess the question would be does the passenger compartment floor show signs of having the adjustable passenger seat retro-fitted or did the car maybe get a center clip at some time? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
So at the very least we have a car which during it's life needed a new front clip at some point a new rear clip at some point and a new pan at some point, but managed to hang on to it's original engine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Kaeferfreund]

Ebay-auction ended ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

But the car -I'm sure it is- still available here:

http://dmcclassiccars.com/cars/porsche-9146/

[gcrotvik]

I sent the seller a message early yesterday morning explaining that he/they should check out the providence of the car. I explained briefly why I thought the car was not a real 6. I received a terse response telling me to f off. I replied with a link to this thread. I’m not surprised he pulled it off eBay. It is possible the seller did not know the car wasn’t a real 6. Of course, that doesn’t explain why the car is for sale elsewhere as a real 6. I suspect they are limiting their exposure. Maybe they think if they sell it locally and the next owner doesn’t know it’s history, their problem is solved.

Here is the given reason for removing the ad from eBay.

[rhodyguy]

I imagine the 'good folks' @allamericanclassic had a crappy morning. Perhaps one of the guests reading the thread. Damn smarty pants 914 owners!

[dlkawashima]

Adding some photos for future reference once the ebay listing is removed.

Also, the front trunk ...
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i138.photobucket.com-12234-1409170972.1.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i138.photobucket.com-12234-1409170972.2.jpg)

... and the adjustable passenger seat with the retractable seat belt and the '75-'76 weave pattern
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i138.photobucket.com-12234-1409171577.1.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i138.photobucket.com-12234-1409170972.3.jpg)

[Millerwelds]

At some point in the future after this car changes hands some new owner is going to log on to this site and introduce themselves and their new real 6......

Having this history here is essential!

Great job guys (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[eric9144]

Sad really because when the unsuspecting buyer pics it up and it gets inspected by the DMV for registration it very well could end up being flagged for the obvious VIN discrepancies and rot in an impound yard, or never see the streets again...

Clearly a later chassis with all (most) of the /6 parts swapped onto it...

[carr914]

Sad really because when the unsuspecting buyer pics it up and it gets inspected by the DMV for registration it very well could end up being flagged for the obvious VIN discrepancies and rot in an impound yard, or never see the streets again...

Clearly a later chassis with all (most) of the /6 parts swapped onto it...

Or the Buyer could get it registered and a couple years later finds out he paid $50k for an abortion and it's too late to sue!

[warpig]

I sent the seller a message early yesterday morning explaining that he/they should check out the providence of the car. I explained briefly why I thought the car was not a real 6. I received a terse response telling me to f off. I replied with a link to this thread. I’m not surprised he pulled it off eBay. It is possible the seller did not know the car wasn’t a real 6. Of course, that doesn’t explain why the car is for sale elsewhere as a real 6. I suspect they are limiting their exposure. Maybe they think if they sell it locally and the next owner doesn’t know it’s history, their problem is solved.

Here is the given reason for removing the ad from eBay.

I also sent an inquiry asking if he had a response to the "experts" consensus that it was not an original 6 with a link to this thread before going to bed this am. (working nights) When I checked the ad when I got up this afternoon it had been pulled. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
I didn't get a personal thank you for pointing out this potential discrepancy though, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) So I am feeling little left out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

[Mike Fitton]

Yeah, I think I got taken on Ebay also, I will let you know when my COA arrives. Seller told me it was a real 914-6, it does have the badging on the back. Only thing that was correct on the listing was the body was down to bare metal and ready for paint.

[budk]

I sent the seller a message early yesterday morning explaining that he/they should check out the providence of the car. I explained briefly why I thought the car was not a real 6. I received a terse response telling me to f off. I replied with a link to this thread. I’m not surprised he pulled it off eBay. It is possible the seller did not know the car wasn’t a real 6. Of course, that doesn’t explain why the car is for sale elsewhere as a real 6. I suspect they are limiting their exposure. Maybe they think if they sell it locally and the next owner doesn’t know it’s history, their problem is solved.

Here is the given reason for removing the ad from eBay.

I also sent an inquiry asking if he had a response to the "experts" consensus that it was not an original 6 with a link to this thread before going to bed this am. (working nights) When I checked the ad when I got up this afternoon it had been pulled. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
I didn't get a personal thank you for pointing out this potential discrepancy though, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) So I am feeling little left out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

Don't feel left out, a few of us sent inquiries earlier this week, so it was likely the volume of inquiries that got this pulled. The credit goes to the knowledgable experts who identified all the oddities. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)

[Millerwelds]

Yeah, I think I got taken on Ebay also, I will let you know when my COA arrives. Seller told me it was a real 914-6, it does have the badging on the back. Only thing that was correct on the listing was the body was down to bare metal and ready for paint.

So are the wheels AND TIRES! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Chris H.]

Yeah, I think I got taken on Ebay also, I will let you know when my COA arrives. Seller told me it was a real 914-6, it does have the badging on the back. Only thing that was correct on the listing was the body was down to bare metal and ready for paint.

I wouldn't worry about it Mike. Looks legit.

[Cairo94507]

Hey, send that to Scotty and it will look brand new again! Seriously, I love that; how big is it? Where did you get it?

[Mike Fitton]

Hey, send that to Scotty and it will look brand new again! Seriously, I love that; how big is it? Where did you get it?

Got it on Ebay! It is 17" x 7" and really just a one off piece, I have not seen anything like it before. Artist signed the piece "Joel Marketello" never heard of him but he put a lot of work into this, its awesome!