Input on current market values, Soon to be new owner Options

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Some of you have been following my thread about the 73 2.0 that I had the opportunity to look and and consider purchasing. Owner was asking a very high price for this very original and clean car. Initially we were very far apart but we reached agreement tonight for me to purchase the car. I have not yet seen the car so feel free to rip me a new one for doing a deal sight unseen. It is a risk, no doubt. with that said I have purchased four all original cars in this same manner and all were just as I expected...or better. I place a lot of confidence in pics and conversations with the owners. I've walked from great cars just because I don't trust the person on the other end of the phone or keyboard. Now all of you can sit back, judge and see if my instincts were correct. Makes for a great thread. The buy price was high...no doubt. Seller has been great. A porsche family and a pleasure to talk with. With that said, I'm hopeful that this is a really special car. Pics to come soon. I won't take delivery for a couple of weeks I'm sure. In the meantime, here is a summary write-up of some of the facts and info about the car.

1973 Porsche 914 2.0L with Appearance Group Originality
VIN: 4732920367
Engine #: GA 004619 Transmission #: HA 13043 Karmann chassis #: 1749508 Color: L30E, Bahia Red Mileage: 44,837
To help authenticate the car’s all original condition, the following items validate this

Inspection sticker in the rear trunk near the Karmann chassis number
Inspection sticker on the rear trunk lid near the latch. Factory stamped, “IL-1” Inspection sticker on the engine lid cover, passenger side
Original Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI) sticker on the driver’s door jam dated 6/22/1973
White paint on the front shock towers and bolt (they’ve never been removed) Green paint splashed on all four lug nuts on all four wheels that indicated to factory assembly line workers the lug nuts had been properly torqued
Original factory wheel center caps with the wide flange
Original red vacuum hoses in the engine compartment
Original Continental Schlauchlos Radial spare tire. Size 165HR15-308. Still wears the original wheel weights and tire paint indicating where the valve stem aligned on the tire. One green and two red dots. Tire still has the factory blue and yellow stripes down the center, is like new and holds air. Original 4-bolt Fuch dated 4/73 with part number: 914.361.011.01
Complete, original tool kit including original Bilstein jack. Factory tool kit bag is black plastic with 4 breather holes, 2 front and 2 back. Still retains the factory black rubber band.
Original white headlight surrounds (later in 1973 they switched to black)
The car
batteries and one set of tires.
has had the oil & filter changed 28 times in its 41 years. It has only had four new
• HO Campaign – Dealer switched out original battery cover for an improved one Car comes with original which is in like-new condition
• Original front and rear license plate brackets included
• Original/correct VW/Hella “Made in Germany” interior light. It is cracked and
hazed, but fully functional
• Correct 165R15 tires
• Correct Leistritz muffler. Stamped “Typ VW-Porsche 914/4 Made in W-
Germany 04/86” Installed new in: July, 1996
• Original Blaupunkt radio with factory manual
• Two sets of original keys (4 total). Two valet, two regular. Both with Bosch antenna keys. One set never used with the dealer inventory tag still attached in its’ original Porsche leather pouch
• Original Porsche/Hörsteler fiber mats (coco type), driver and passenger
• Original set of Porsche carpet mats, set of four

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And more info....

1973 Porsche 914 2.0L with Appearance Group Originality
VIN: 4732920367
Engine #: GA 004619 Transmission #: HA 13043 Karmann chassis #: 1749508 Color: L30E, Bahia Red Mileage: 44,837
To help authenticate the car’s all original condition, the following items validate this:
• • • •
• •
• • •
• •
Inspection sticker in the rear trunk near the Karmann chassis number
Inspection sticker on the rear trunk lid near the latch. Factory stamped, “IL-1” Inspection sticker on the engine lid cover, passenger side
Original Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI) sticker on the driver’s door jam dated 6/22/1973
White paint on the front shock towers and bolt (they’ve never been removed) Green paint splashed on all four lug nuts on all four wheels that indicated to factory assembly line workers the lug nuts had been properly torqued
Original factory wheel center caps with the wide flange
Original red vacuum hoses in the engine compartment
Original Continental Schlauchlos Radial spare tire. Size 165HR15-308. Still wears the original wheel weights and tire paint indicating where the valve stem aligned on the tire. One green and two red dots. Tire still has the factory blue and yellow stripes down the center, is like new and holds air. Original 4-bolt Fuch dated 4/73 with part number: 914.361.011.01
Complete, original tool kit including original Bilstein jack. Factory tool kit bag is black plastic with 4 breather holes, 2 front and 2 back. Still retains the factory black rubber band.
Original white headlight surrounds (later in 1973 they switched to black)
The car
batteries and one set of tires.
has had the oil & filter changed 28 times in its 41 years. It has only had four new
• HO Campaign – Dealer switched out original battery cover for an improved one Car comes with original which is in like-new condition
• Original front and rear license plate brackets included
• Original/correct VW/Hella “Made in Germany” interior light. It is cracked and
hazed, but fully functional
• Correct 165R15 tires
• Correct Leistritz muffler. Stamped “Typ VW-Porsche 914/4 Made in W-
Germany 04/86” Installed new in: July, 1996
• Original Blaupunkt radio with factory manual
• Two sets of original keys (4 total). Two valet, two regular. Both with Bosch antenna keys. One set never used with the dealer inventory tag still attached in its’ original Porsche leather pouch
• Original Porsche/Hörsteler fiber mats (coco type), driver and passenger
• Original set of Porsche carpet mats, set of four

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and more info....

Seller did a nice job of summarizing many of the interesting points and data about this car

973 Porsche 914 2.0L with Appearance Group History and Maintenance
VIN: 4732920367
Engine #: GA 004619 Transmission #: HA 13043 Karmann chassis #: 1749508 Color: L30E, Bahia Red
Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI): Completed on 6/22/1973
Date of purchase/delivery: July 19th, 1973 with 14 miles on the vehicle Dealer: Metropolitan Porsche/Audi, St. Paul, MN (Now, Porsche of St. Paul)
Maintenance History
- 600 mile dealer service at 686 miles, 8/10/1973
- Chassis undercoating applied, circa 1973
- Oil and filter change, 4,129miles, 5/11/1974
- Dealer Service (5,000 maintenance), 4,596 miles, 5/20/1974
- Tune up, change transmission fluid change, 12,038 miles, 4/4/1976
- Oil and filter change, 12,132 miles, 4/17/1976
- Oil and filter change, 17,641 miles, 5/28/1977
- Plugs, points, oil and filter, fuel filter, hose service, 18,259 miles, 6/13/1977
- Oil and filter change, 21,512 miles, 11/13/1977
- Oil and filter change, 23,153 miles, 11/5/1978
- New Diehard battery, 4-14-1979
- Valve adjustment, transmission fluid change, 24,331 miles, 9/5/1979
- Oil and filter change, 24,915 miles, 10/28/1979
- New flasher, 4/15/1980
- New regulator, 9/30/1980
- Oil and filter change, 26,912 miles, 10/28/1980
- Oil and filter change, 30,292 miles, 11/2/1981
- Oil and filter change, 32,630 miles, 10/25/1982
- Oil and filter change, 33,039 miles, 11/5/1983
- Oil and filter change, 33,384 miles, 11/4/1984
- Oil and filter change, 33,684 miles, 10/21/1985
- Tune up, valve adjustment, plugs-points-condenser, air, fuel and oil filters,
transmission fluid change, new fan belt, adjust timing and fuel mixture, compression check (#1 140, #2 150, #3 140, #4 150), new clutch cable connector, 34,000 miles, 8/29/1986
- Oil and filter change, 34,556 miles, 10/26/1987
- New Diehard battery, 10/18/1991
- Oil and filter and new voltage regulator, 35,333 miles, 10/18/1991
- Oil and filter change, 35,937 miles, 10/23/1992
- Oil and filter change, 36,619 miles, 10/13/1995
- New, correct Leistrizt muffler installed, (stamped: For Porsche 914/4, made 04/86), gaskets and studs, 7/13/1996
- New Diehard battery, 6/10/1997
- Oil and filter change, 37,124 miles, 10/14/1997
- Oil and filter change, 37,454 miles, 10/24/1999
- Repack front wheel bearings, clean brakes, replace brake lines, replace master
cylinder and flush brake system with new fluid, new pedal bushing kit installed,
37,895 miles, 12/31/1999
- New tires, correct size - 165R15, 37,932, 10/06/2000
- Oil and filter change, 38,384 miles, 10/20/2001
- New front brake calipers, machine rotors, 39,112 miles, 6/11/2003
- Oil and filter change, 39,979 miles, 10/23/2003
- New Diehard battery, 4/4/2006
- Oil and filter change, 41,725 miles, 11/24/2006
- Oil and filter change, 42,858 miles, 10/17/2009
- New passenger side window regulator, 7/25/2011
- Oil and filter change, 43,724 miles, 4/8/2012
- Oil and filter change, 43,853 miles, 8/17/2012


Stay tuned.

[Cuda911]

Curious.... why did the previous owner hate this car so much that he would only drive it a few hundred miles a year?


- Oil and filter change, 32,630 miles, 10/25/1982
- Oil and filter change, 33,039 miles, 11/5/1983
- Oil and filter change, 33,384 miles, 11/4/1984
- Oil and filter change, 33,684 miles, 10/21/1985

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Curious.... why did the previous owner hate this car so much that he would only drive it a few hundred miles a year?


- Oil and filter change, 32,630 miles, 10/25/1982
- Oil and filter change, 33,039 miles, 11/5/1983
- Oil and filter change, 33,384 miles, 11/4/1984
- Oil and filter change, 33,684 miles, 10/21/1985

I'm not sure about the 80's period but Im guessing that like all of us it as a combination of appreciating and wanting to keep the car in great condition, having family obligations, a busy career, multiple collector cars and living in a northern climate where you basically have a few months a year that you can realistically drive them. As for selling recently, he is a retired neurologist and has several collector cars. My understanding is that at 78 he realized that he had less time and ability to spend on these multiple cars and chose to focus on his 1966 corvette which he wanted to do some fairly costly and rebuild/restoration work on.

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Here are a couple of pics. More to come....

Dropbox

[Cuda911]

Beautiful car!!!

I hope you know my comment about the previous owner "hating" the car was facetious, but I do always wonder how people have cars that log such low annual mileage.

As you say, though, many people have quite an assortment of vehicles. I imagine that if Jay Leno or Jerry Seinfeld drove each of their cars a few times per year they wouldn't log over a few hundred miles per car.

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Beautiful car!!!

I hope you know my comment about the previous owner "hating" the car was facetious, but I do always wonder how people have cars that log such low annual mileage.

As you say, though, many people have quite an assortment of vehicles. I imagine that if Jay Leno or Jerry Seinfeld drove each of their cars a few times per year they wouldn't log over a few hundred miles per car.

Thanks Mike. Added a few more pics to the dropbox file.

Steve

[porsha916]

Great 914, the only things I saw was the wheel weights can be placed on the back side of the wheel, and the strap holding the throttle cable attached to the brain bracket may not be stock. It's nice to see a 914 that has been that well cared for!!!
The value should be very high $20-35K, a 914 like yours is only worth what someone will pay for it! Put it on ebay with $75K reserve and see where the bidding ends.

Some of you have been following my thread about the 73 2.0 that I had the opportunity to look and and consider purchasing. Owner was asking a very high price for this very original and clean car. Initially we were very far apart but we reached agreement tonight for me to purchase the car. I have not yet seen the car so feel free to rip me a new one for doing a deal sight unseen. It is a risk, no doubt. with that said I have purchased four all original cars in this same manner and all were just as I expected...or better. I place a lot of confidence in pics and conversations with the owners. I've walked from great cars just because I don't trust the person on the other end of the phone or keyboard. Now all of you can sit back, judge and see if my instincts were correct. Makes for a great thread. The buy price was high...no doubt. Seller has been great. A porsche family and a pleasure to talk with. With that said, I'm hopeful that this is a really special car. Pics to come soon. I won't take delivery for a couple of weeks I'm sure. In the meantime, here is a summary write-up of some of the facts and info about the car.

1973 Porsche 914 2.0L with Appearance Group Originality
VIN: 4732920367
Engine #: GA 004619 Transmission #: HA 13043 Karmann chassis #: 1749508 Color: L30E, Bahia Red Mileage: 44,837
To help authenticate the car’s all original condition, the following items validate this

Inspection sticker in the rear trunk near the Karmann chassis number
Inspection sticker on the rear trunk lid near the latch. Factory stamped, “IL-1” Inspection sticker on the engine lid cover, passenger side
Original Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI) sticker on the driver’s door jam dated 6/22/1973
White paint on the front shock towers and bolt (they’ve never been removed) Green paint splashed on all four lug nuts on all four wheels that indicated to factory assembly line workers the lug nuts had been properly torqued
Original factory wheel center caps with the wide flange
Original red vacuum hoses in the engine compartment
Original Continental Schlauchlos Radial spare tire. Size 165HR15-308. Still wears the original wheel weights and tire paint indicating where the valve stem aligned on the tire. One green and two red dots. Tire still has the factory blue and yellow stripes down the center, is like new and holds air. Original 4-bolt Fuch dated 4/73 with part number: 914.361.011.01
Complete, original tool kit including original Bilstein jack. Factory tool kit bag is black plastic with 4 breather holes, 2 front and 2 back. Still retains the factory black rubber band.
Original white headlight surrounds (later in 1973 they switched to black)
The car
batteries and one set of tires.
has had the oil & filter changed 28 times in its 41 years. It has only had four new
• HO Campaign – Dealer switched out original battery cover for an improved one Car comes with original which is in like-new condition
• Original front and rear license plate brackets included
• Original/correct VW/Hella “Made in Germany” interior light. It is cracked and
hazed, but fully functional
• Correct 165R15 tires
• Correct Leistritz muffler. Stamped “Typ VW-Porsche 914/4 Made in W-
Germany 04/86” Installed new in: July, 1996
• Original Blaupunkt radio with factory manual
• Two sets of original keys (4 total). Two valet, two regular. Both with Bosch antenna keys. One set never used with the dealer inventory tag still attached in its’ original Porsche leather pouch
• Original Porsche/Hörsteler fiber mats (coco type), driver and passenger
• Original set of Porsche carpet mats, set of four

[Tom_T]

Steve,

You can go to Hagartey's website & use their classics value section to look up the current values, but be objective in picking condition & the level on their website's 4 levels. If this truly is a top level car, then mid-20's ot mid/hi-30's is realistic recent values.

Sometimes risky buys pay off - hopefully yours is as advertized!

...with my luck it never would!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[dlkawashima]

Great 914, the only things I saw was the wheel weights can be placed on the back side of the wheel, and the strap holding the throttle cable attached to the brain bracket may not be stock. It's nice to see a 914 that has been that well cared for!!!
The value should be very high $20-35K, a 914 like yours is only worth what someone will pay for it! Put it on ebay with $75K reserve and see where the bidding ends.

It looks stock to me. What makes you think the strap may not be stock?

[dlkawashima]

Finally found the picture that McMark put up a long time ago

PET parts diagrams, PN 999.706.005.80 (throttle cable suspension strap) ... item #71 in diagram below

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-419-1354732243.jpg)

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Finally found the picture that McMark put up a long time ago

PET parts diagrams, PN 999.706.005.80 (throttle cable suspension strap) ... item #71 in diagram below

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-419-1354732243.jpg)

Thanks. I'll take a closer look at the cable strap when the car arrives. Fairly certain though that the able is original.