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> Wiper Switch Conversion, Different for Early Cars? What am I missing?
BeatNavy
post Sep 28 2014, 01:45 PM
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So today was going to be a good day to do the wiper switch upgrade as my car's up on jackstands for brake issues and probably will be there for a few days. I was following the Pelican Article which describes itself pertaining to '74 (I've got a '72). But I've read through a lot articles on this, and I don't recall seeing any distinction between early/late cars. I ordered this 924 switch (part number 111953519G as per the article).

Anyway, once I started the process I ran into several issues which have me stumped. First of all, the quality overall seems sketchy. I had seen the caveats on the quality of this one, but even then the quality seemed suspect to the point that I'm not sure it would work at all. Then I ran into the following additional issues as annotated in the picture below:

1. The layout is different than what I had seen in other pictures, and the wire colors did not match the old switch. There's a contact anchored to the outside of the switch that I have seen in other pictures on the inside....which wouldn't bother me except...

2. ...it's held in place by a bolt and nut going through one of the holes that should hold one of the four metal sleeves that hold the turn signal and wiper assemblies together. WTF? I assume that this contact is necessary, but it will fall out without that bolt in place.

3. The actual holes in the metal piece through which the sleeves should slide were too small. I took a drill bit and by hand worked them wide enough so I could get the sleeves in, but it still makes me question if I have the right part.

4. Dog, recovering from ACL surgery, is no help at all.

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Has anyone else been successful doing this on an early car with this specific part (from this vendor) and do you recommend a different part/vendor?

Thanks for your help. Winter's coming. I'd like to be able to clean the windshield.
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post Sep 29 2014, 03:39 PM
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Oh! ANd also as an aside, in his thread he was getting a blown fuse whenever he activated the washer switch. In my application, I would blow fuse 8 if the switch was simply installed in the column and I turned my ignition key on.
Just an fyi.
If you get this to work I'd really like to know how?
Lemme bring my car and switch down to your place and show me k?
Or if you'd like a lil drive in the country, c'mon up. I'll press us some java!
Cheers,
D
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QUOTE(HalfMoon @ Sep 29 2014, 05:39 PM) *

Oh! ANd also as an aside, in his thread he was getting a blown fuse whenever he activated the washer switch. In my application, I would blow fuse 8 if the switch was simply installed in the column and I turned my ignition key on.
Just an fyi.
If you get this to work I'd really like to know how?
Lemme bring my car and switch down to your place and show me k?
Or if you'd like a lil drive in the country, c'mon up. I'll press us some java!
Cheers,
D

Hey Dave, yeah, that would be awesome. One way or another we'll get together. Nice drive out Route 7 and Route 9! I'm looking for wire/connection 91 on the schematic but don't see it. I'll dig around under the front trunk cowl area and find this wire (although the idea of that wire "conveniently" being there is too...convenient, and nothing is "convenient" on a 914!). If I can find that wire and it has 12v when I'm activating the switch that'll be the ticket.

Thanks for all your help!
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post Sep 29 2014, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(BeatNavy @ Sep 29 2014, 06:00 PM) *

QUOTE(HalfMoon @ Sep 29 2014, 05:39 PM) *

Oh! ANd also as an aside, in his thread he was getting a blown fuse whenever he activated the washer switch. In my application, I would blow fuse 8 if the switch was simply installed in the column and I turned my ignition key on.
Just an fyi.
If you get this to work I'd really like to know how?
Lemme bring my car and switch down to your place and show me k?
Or if you'd like a lil drive in the country, c'mon up. I'll press us some java!
Cheers,
D

Hey Dave, yeah, that would be awesome. One way or another we'll get together. Nice drive out Route 7 and Route 9! I'm looking for wire/connection 91 on the schematic but don't see it. I'll dig around under the front trunk cowl area and find this wire (although the idea of that wire "conveniently" being there is too...convenient, and nothing is "convenient" on a 914!). If I can find that wire and it has 12v when I'm activating the switch that'll be the ticket.

Thanks for all your help!


It was 91 on the schematic for a 1973. Might be different on other year models (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
The fact that you've gotten yours installed without blowing fuse 8 is miles ahead of my nightmare.
Be grateful grasshoppa
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QUOTE(HalfMoon @ Sep 29 2014, 06:46 PM) *

It was 91 on the schematic for a 1973. Might be different on other year models (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
The fact that you've gotten yours installed without blowing fuse 8 is miles ahead of my nightmare.
Be grateful grasshoppa

Yeah, I don't see the equivalent on the pre-'73 diagram. It is clear as an extra wire on the '73 diagram. So I just need to hunt in the trunk and try to find it. I may need to remove the fuel tank to find it, which I guess would be a good time to investigate why the fresh air blower is not working ("while I'm in there"). That's why she's called the "red onion" - layers.

I'll give you an update when I find it. Thanks again, Dave!
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QUOTE(BeatNavy @ Sep 29 2014, 07:32 PM) *

QUOTE(HalfMoon @ Sep 29 2014, 06:46 PM) *

It was 91 on the schematic for a 1973. Might be different on other year models (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
The fact that you've gotten yours installed without blowing fuse 8 is miles ahead of my nightmare.
Be grateful grasshoppa

Yeah, I don't see the equivalent on the pre-'73 diagram. It is clear as an extra wire on the '73 diagram. So I just need to hunt in the trunk and try to find it. I may need to remove the fuel tank to find it, which I guess would be a good time to investigate why the fresh air blower is not working ("while I'm in there"). That's why she's called the "red onion" - layers.

I'll give you an update when I find it. Thanks again, Dave!


Hmmm. Interesting. Your fresh air blower isn't working? Y'know the fresh air, horn and wiper all share a relay, right? And all are powered from fuse 8....
Pulling a fuel tank can be a pia. Mebbe think about power and continuity checks on the wire leading from that relay to your blower motor.
It prompts the question, were you having any issues with the horn and or wipers?
And I know this will sound silly....but often the fuses and holders (40 years old) get cruded up and can and DO effect components from working (don't ask how I know). Make sure those areas are sparkly clean (emory cloth).
My .2 cents
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BeatNavy   Wiper Switch Conversion   Sep 28 2014, 01:45 PM
Bartlett 914   I suspect this screw and nut are for shipping. I b...   Sep 28 2014, 03:18 PM
BeatNavy   Ok, well that would make some sense, I suppose. S...   Sep 28 2014, 04:19 PM
HalfMoon   Ok, well that would make some sense, I suppose. ...   Sep 28 2014, 09:27 PM
BeatNavy   I tried this conversion on my 73 with that part ...   Sep 29 2014, 07:23 AM
HalfMoon   [quote name='HalfMoon' post='2091456' date='Sep 2...   Sep 29 2014, 09:03 AM
jt914-6   Not off topic but I will add this. I have a delaye...   Sep 29 2014, 06:18 AM
BeatNavy   Cool, thanks Dave! I may call CIP1 and give ...   Sep 29 2014, 09:25 AM
HalfMoon   Cool, thanks Dave! I may call CIP1 and give ...   Sep 29 2014, 09:58 AM
HalfMoon   Interesting. I just noticed something different be...   Sep 29 2014, 10:13 AM
BeatNavy   Interesting. I just noticed something different b...   Sep 29 2014, 10:20 AM
HalfMoon   I hope user dangrouche chimes in soon (that's ...   Sep 29 2014, 10:51 AM
BeatNavy   Alright, Dave, I'm not sure if this is progres...   Sep 29 2014, 01:56 PM
HalfMoon   Alright, Dave, I'm not sure if this is progre...   Sep 29 2014, 03:11 PM
HalfMoon   In his switch (and maybe on yours?) the black wir...   Sep 29 2014, 03:33 PM
HalfMoon   and   Sep 29 2014, 03:12 PM
HalfMoon   Oh! ANd also as an aside, in his thread he was...   Sep 29 2014, 03:39 PM
BeatNavy   Oh! ANd also as an aside, in his thread he wa...   Sep 29 2014, 04:00 PM
HalfMoon   Oh! ANd also as an aside, in his thread he w...   Sep 29 2014, 04:46 PM
BeatNavy   It was 91 on the schematic for a 1973. Might be d...   Sep 29 2014, 05:32 PM
HalfMoon   It was 91 on the schematic for a 1973. Might be ...   Sep 29 2014, 06:08 PM
HalfMoon   Oh and as I recall I think I remember finding my w...   Sep 29 2014, 06:13 PM
BeatNavy   I'm pretty sure my fresh air blower is getting...   Sep 29 2014, 06:30 PM
BeatNavy   So I took out the fuel tank today and removed the ...   Sep 30 2014, 02:29 PM
HalfMoon   So I took out the fuel tank today and removed the...   Sep 30 2014, 04:50 PM
BeatNavy   I believe that's it. Pin 5 was for the dealer...   Sep 30 2014, 05:58 PM
HalfMoon   I believe that's it. Pin 5 was for the deale...   Sep 30 2014, 07:02 PM
orthobiz   Another slightly off/on topic response. Brad Mayeu...   Sep 30 2014, 07:24 PM
HalfMoon   Another slightly off/on topic response. Brad Maye...   Oct 1 2014, 05:50 PM


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