Welcome to the Type 4 Store, A formal introduction and video! Options

[DNHunt]

Jake

The site looks cool. Congrats!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)

Dave

[sean_v8_914]

Bravo Zulu to the type 4 warrior (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)

where did the 2.0 H-beam conn rod group buy thread go? did I miss out? I want some

[skline]

QUOTE (sean_v8_914 @ Feb 2 2005, 07:42 AM)

Bravo Zulu to the type 4 warrior (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) where did the 2.0 H-beam conn rod group buy thread go? did I miss out? I want some

Its here somewhere, I just saw it yesterday. Check a few pages back, this site is much faster than the Bird board with the threads.

[groot]

Excellent work, Jake!!!

[dinomium]

Good thing my wife hid the credit cards after I bought the new truck! Great job Jake. I can tell from the vidi, you are not nearly as surly as you type!
I know where all my "milk money" is goning now!!!!!
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[Jake Raby]

Thanks!

[splashfx]

Jake - just wanted to say thanks for taking the risk and opening this store.

I appreciated being able to pick up the phone and talk with "THE MAN" about type IV engines. Looking forward to getting my order!!

[Mueller]

Jake,

can you view the "wish list"?

I'd like to know if I am ordering the correct stuff???

thanks

[Jake Raby]

Call me, write down the numbers I telll you and then go finish the order..

[seanery]

this may be a bunch of work, but it may be helpful (to me at least)
can you make the part #s that are included in the engine kit, the ones that are listed at the bottom of the description, link to those parts?

thanks,
i know you have been busting you ass to get this done...just thought I'd ask.

[anthony]

Jake, I have questions about the various options on the kits. Maybe you can answer here so others can benefit? Probably explaining the benefits of the various upgrades on the site itself would help greatly and cut down on presales phone calls.

1) Looking at the prices of the kits the 2316 seems like the way to go since it only costs a small bit more than the 2270. Are there any advantages to the 2270 over the 2316?

2) Lifters - I know you've been working on this issue. I notice that on the site you're selling reground "parkerized" lifters. I haven't seen you mention these before. Will they go the distance or are ceramic lifters a must have upgrade?

3) What is the advantage of an ion-nitrided crank?

4) How essential is the ARP through bolt kit?

5) What engine tin does one need for the heads? If you choose the upgrade spark plug location does that mean one needs 2L engine tin?

6) What is "Pre-prepare Engine Kit Assembly"?

7) I'm curious as to why the Kit Carlsen EFI isn't a kit option.

8) The heads come with oval ports so that means they will bolt to a stock 914 exhaust, correct? I actually want to use SSI 2L heat exchangers. How much will they choke the power over the Tangerine system. Unfortunately $2500 for a full Tangerine system with heat busts my budget rigth now.

Thanks!

[Joe Ricard]

to add to that do all these engine use Nikies? or are 2270's cast iron cylinders and nikies are an upgrade.
BTW I need to sell my Harley to buy your motor with the options I want. Unless you will take a trade?????

[jd74914]

site looks great jake (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) I also like the movie (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) congrats

[Jake Raby]

It's impossible to answe all the questions on the site, especially because the layout doesn't support much text in the detailed descriptions. Thats why I listed all the parts listed in the kit. I Always want to have a phone conversation with the buyer on something this big of a purchase anyway.

1) Looking at the prices of the kits the 2316 seems like the way to go since it only costs a small bit more than the 2270. Are there any advantages to the 2270 over the 2316?
>>>Don't judge it on price(damn teeners..LOL)
The 2270 is a more proven combo with more power at the lower revs and perfect as a daily driver, it runs out of steam after 6K where the 2316 starts to pull. The 2270 is better for everyday driving and the 2316 is better for an Autocross/Track/less street driven vehicle- But its still streetable on pump gas.

2) Lifters - I know you've been working on this issue. I notice that on the site you're selling reground "parkerized" lifters. I haven't seen you mention these before. Will they go the distance or are ceramic lifters a must have upgrade?
>>>>These lifters have tested out better than anything else so far.They have went through refinement and have shown the least wear in my testing. Will they go forever?? No one knows these days with ANY engine even V-8s are having lifter issues. If I didn't feel they were the best for the money I would not offer them.

The ONLY lifter I give a warranty on is the ceramics- They are indestructible.

3) What is the advantage of an ion-nitrided crank?
>>>Its a process thats a must for Diesel engines to keep journals more resistant to wear. I started using it on my engines a few years ago when no one else knew it existed. Its a process where the crank is heat treated under severe pressure at 1200 degrees, then nitrogen is introduced. This creates a surface that is super resistant to wear. The stuff is so tough and penetrates so deep that you can normally grind the crank one whole undersize and still get the benefit of the treatment.

I religously do it to my engines. For the cost its more than worth it. I have seen engines that ran out of oil and spun rod bearings just be polished and reassembled after this process.

4) How essential is the ARP through bolt kit?
>>It's not... Just an added bit of assurance... Stock bolts are good to 200HP and even more.

5) What engine tin does one need for the heads? If you choose the upgrade spark plug location does that mean one needs 2L engine tin?
>>All kits are sold with new heads with the standard 1.7/1.8 plugs. Relocating these plug angles would put them in the 2.0 location and thats good for about an 8% power gain on pretty much any engine I have ever tested. This means you could use 2.0 tin, or use my templates and modify your 1.7/8 tin to the 2.0 plug position.

Guys that have 2.0 heads would need to send their heads in if they want to utilize them. The price of the kit would be adjusted according to the degree of repair the head needs to get it to the level this combo requires. The price would be more than with the new heads as the labor exceeds the cost of a new pair of cores.

6) What is "Pre-prepare Engine Kit Assembly"?
>>>That means I prep all the parts in a mock up assembly before shipping them and take some extra time to write some notes on parts. I also install the cam gear and a few other small things.

7) I'm curious as to why the Kit Carlsen EFI isn't a kit option.
>>Because its not available yet and I try to avoid back orders at all cost! The kit carlson system as with any FI system isn't for everyone. Someone that sets it up incorrectly or has issues with it could end up like Dave Hunt or worse and have problems with kit that really isn't the kits fault...
I may add it as an option later, or you can just point and click and add it yourself when we get the OK from Kit Carlson and he fills our orders. I also still have to test more engines with the system and find out what injectors, throttle bodies and etc each kit wants so I can supply those parts with no guesswork

Don't be expecting to see Kit Carlson within the next 6 months on the Store site. I have 5 engines waiting for it here at the shop and nalot of learning to do before I'll sell it to anyone.

8) The heads come with oval ports so that means they will bolt to a stock 914 exhaust, correct?
>>Yes, 100% bolt on

I actually want to use SSI 2L heat exchangers. How much will they choke the power over the Tangerine system.
>>On the 2270 engine- Not that much at all because it was originally designed to work with heaters. I chose that combination for my kit because it was the most universal available for every 914 application and used heat.

Unfortunately $2500 for a full Tangerine system with heat busts my budget rigth now.
>>>Sure, I understand.

Also, to answer the Nickies question:
The only engine kit sold WITH Nickies is the 2563. Its the only Nickies engine kit thats available. The other engines do NOT come with Nickies, nor do they have the option of them. They also DO NOT NEED THEM to do what I have designed them to do. The larger bore 2563 does need them and its not available without them.

Nickies are a great product but until you exceed the power limits of the 96mm cast iron bore (180 HP) Or go larger than 96mm they are not a necessity.

I have had to make a tremendous effort to remove the "custom" aspect from these kits to drop their prices. These kits offered are the ones I have offered the most with the best results from the assemblers(less calls, less questions) and thats why I spent thousands of dollars to buy parts to comprise them IN BULK TO DROP PRICES! This is why that 2316cc engine kit is almost 1800 bucks less than it used to be only 4 months ago!

If you want custom- made for you- made for your car- made for your climate- you gotta buy my complete engine and pay an extra 5K for assembly, balance/blueprint and dyno time... and wait 8-9 months..

These engine kits are for everyone else that doesn't fit into that category. It is still the same kit it used to be, just without balance and prep included and now its a standard and not a custom build.
I'm going to change the name of the kits to "Non assembled engines" because thats what they are and they are not available anywhere else.

[anthony]

Thanks Jake! Very helpful!