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lsintampa
post Dec 22 2014, 08:53 AM
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75 2.0 FI

I'm in Florida - so the weather outside is somewhat warm (50's maybe right now).

I'll try to be as detailed as I can. I've had this issue since I started driving the car - about 8 months ago. It underwent a motor rebuild - along with some other mechanical repairs.

All hoses are new (air supply, and fuel). ECU and other FI components are original - best I can tell.

When I start the car - it starts right up. At idle RPMs go to about 1500 with a very slight surge (maybe 1450 - 1550).

If I pull the air supply that goes to the AAR from the air filter and plug it, the idle goes down to what I'd expect - about 900 RPM still with a little surge. This is while the motor is "cold" - so to speak. Within like a minute of starting.

As the car warms - just at idle, the RMPs start to come down and the vacuum from the AAR isn't as strong - but still present. However now the surge is crazy - like from almost a stall up to maybe 1200, back down, back up, etc.

Pulling the hose from the AAR - does nothing - I can plug it or leave it and the air filter wide open and there is no change. I put the hose back on - again no change.

I did not let it get to a full warm state - IE the temp gauge just started to move up.

I've heard there are three states (cold, pre-warm, and fully warm) that come into play.

Various tinkering, like turning the air mixture valve to a total closed state, and mucking with the ECU dial has had some success, but at BEST, I get like a 1200 RPM idle still with some surging.

To the best of my knowledge there are no air leaks - at least not from any hoses.

I've some concerns that the air plenum may have some stress cracks around the support studs. But I don't know that would cause the surging? I'd think the idle would just be high - period. YES / NO?

I don't know where to begin to figure out why it behaves this way.

Thanks,

Len
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lsintampa   Surge / Idle   Dec 22 2014, 08:53 AM
76-914   "To the best of my knowledge there are no air...   Dec 22 2014, 09:19 AM
JawjaPorsche   "To the best of my knowledge there are no ai...   Dec 22 2014, 10:27 AM
BeatNavy   Oil filter gasket. Does any vendor sell this? ...   Dec 22 2014, 11:02 AM
JawjaPorsche   Oil filter gasket. Does any vendor sell this? ...   Dec 22 2014, 12:05 PM
BeatNavy   Thanks for responding. I have replaced that one....   Dec 22 2014, 12:40 PM
JawjaPorsche   [quote name='JawjaPorsche' post='2125286' date='D...   Dec 22 2014, 12:48 PM
lsintampa   "To the best of my knowledge there are no ai...   Dec 22 2014, 11:23 AM
Philip W.   "To the best of my knowledge there are no ai...   Dec 22 2014, 01:00 PM
lsintampa   "To the best of my knowledge there are no a...   Dec 22 2014, 01:02 PM
BeatNavy   Another case of a car running better without the M...   Dec 22 2014, 01:08 PM
r_towle   its a vacuum leak   Dec 22 2014, 01:09 PM
Philip W.   [quote name='76-914' post='2125218' date='D...   Dec 22 2014, 01:16 PM
BeatNavy   [quote name='lsintampa' post='2125313' date='Dec ...   Dec 22 2014, 01:24 PM
Philip W.   [quote name='lsintampa' post='2125313' date='Dec...   Dec 22 2014, 02:23 PM
lsintampa   Well, it's about as good as I can get it. Eve...   Dec 22 2014, 02:05 PM
r_towle   Well, it's about as good as I can get it. Ev...   Dec 22 2014, 02:35 PM
saigon71   Have you replaced your TPS board with a new one? ...   Dec 22 2014, 02:31 PM
r_towle   Here   Dec 22 2014, 02:38 PM
r_towle   sorry, had to get it off my phone. See the middle...   Dec 22 2014, 02:40 PM
lsintampa   sorry, had to get it off my phone. See the middl...   Dec 22 2014, 02:54 PM
lsintampa   sorry, had to get it off my phone. See the middl...   Dec 23 2014, 10:49 AM
Philip W.   sorry, had to get it off my phone. See the midd...   Dec 23 2014, 10:53 AM
r_towle   Question... would the Dizzy vac be suspect? Or t...   Dec 23 2014, 11:37 AM
lsintampa   sorry, had to get it off my phone. See the middl...   Dec 26 2014, 09:40 AM
r_towle   the reason the TPS can be adjusted is it was made ...   Dec 22 2014, 02:56 PM
lsintampa   the reason the TPS can be adjusted is it was made...   Dec 24 2014, 12:19 PM
The Cabinetmaker   Does the idle mixture screw on the ecu make any di...   Dec 22 2014, 02:58 PM
lsintampa   Does the idle mixture screw on the ecu make any d...   Dec 22 2014, 04:06 PM
r_towle   Does the idle mixture screw on the ecu make any ...   Dec 22 2014, 05:11 PM
The Cabinetmaker   The idle mixture knob will work only if the tps is...   Dec 22 2014, 05:00 PM
Philip W.   The idle mixture knob will work only if the tps i...   Dec 22 2014, 05:09 PM
r_towle   Here is one http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.ph...   Dec 22 2014, 05:23 PM
The Cabinetmaker   I have gotten a few years extra life from a tps by...   Dec 22 2014, 06:46 PM
lsintampa   Well, here are two shots of how the throttle switc...   Dec 23 2014, 10:20 AM
lsintampa   Well carrying on with the experiment.... Since t...   Dec 23 2014, 12:09 PM
lsintampa   Maybe I'm onto something here.... I don't...   Dec 23 2014, 12:57 PM
Philip W.   Maybe I'm onto something here.... I don...   Dec 23 2014, 01:45 PM
r_towle   put four large screw clamps on the rubber between ...   Dec 23 2014, 01:53 PM
lsintampa   I just ordered new rubbers from Pelican - seems th...   Dec 23 2014, 02:34 PM
r_towle   buy a can of carb cleaner....its safer than starti...   Dec 23 2014, 02:36 PM
The Cabinetmaker   2L intake runner sleeves are still available. 1.7 ...   Dec 23 2014, 05:48 PM
ThePaintedMan   Len, Try the new manifold-to-plenum seals like Ri...   Dec 23 2014, 08:51 PM
lsintampa   Len, Try the new manifold-to-plenum seals like R...   Dec 24 2014, 12:01 PM
r_towle   if you can get your hands on a smoke machine, a ha...   Dec 24 2014, 12:06 PM
r_towle   I dont remember the schematic Look at Panders site...   Dec 24 2014, 12:26 PM
porsche913b_sp   :popcorn: Subscribed   Dec 25 2014, 07:49 PM
r_towle   Post a pic of your tps, but your logic is correct....   Dec 26 2014, 09:48 AM
lsintampa   Post a pic of your tps, but your logic is correct...   Dec 26 2014, 10:44 AM
lsintampa   Well pulled of the dizzy... After removing the v...   Dec 26 2014, 12:24 PM
r_towle   Pull the plates out, check the ground strap, clean...   Dec 26 2014, 12:37 PM
r_towle   Hard to tell from that picture, but you should be ...   Dec 26 2014, 12:39 PM
rhodyguy   If both of the tubes in the plenum spin, that mean...   Dec 26 2014, 12:41 PM
lsintampa   If both of the tubes in the plenum spin, that mea...   Dec 26 2014, 12:48 PM
r_towle   Looked at the simple test on pelican and it confir...   Dec 26 2014, 12:47 PM
r_towle   It's not very hard to remove a few bolts on th...   Dec 26 2014, 12:53 PM
r_towle   Me... Head---RTV---spacer---rtv----intake manifol...   Dec 26 2014, 12:53 PM
lsintampa   Well, I'm tempted to put the dizzy back in and...   Dec 26 2014, 01:37 PM
r_towle   they should move freely in order to snap back to z...   Dec 26 2014, 02:13 PM
ThePaintedMan   :agree: These guys know their stuff Len. Try those...   Dec 26 2014, 03:11 PM
lsintampa   Well, plenum is out. I'm too tired and sore t...   Dec 26 2014, 04:59 PM
r_towle   Tape up the holes, sink in water.   Dec 26 2014, 05:51 PM
lsintampa   Tape up the holes, sink in water. Well that wo...   Dec 27 2014, 10:48 AM
r_towle   If you go look for a leather punch set, Harbor fre...   Dec 27 2014, 11:09 AM
lsintampa   If you go look for a leather punch set, Harbor fr...   Dec 27 2014, 11:26 AM
r_towle   I would make a gasket, they should sell gasket kit...   Dec 27 2014, 01:34 PM
lsintampa   I would make a gasket, they should sell gasket ki...   Dec 28 2014, 11:08 AM
lsintampa   This is getting to the point of being a bad dream....   Dec 29 2014, 09:12 AM
ThePaintedMan   You can still test for leaks at the manifold first...   Dec 29 2014, 09:27 AM
Philip W.   surging always seems to be one of 2 things - lean ...   Dec 29 2014, 09:37 AM
lsintampa   At this point - it seems I may be near normal. I ...   Dec 30 2014, 08:52 AM
r_towle   At this point - it seems I may be near normal. I...   Dec 30 2014, 04:23 PM
lsintampa   At this point - it seems I may be near normal. ...   Dec 30 2014, 04:33 PM
lsintampa   At this point - it seems I may be near normal. ...   Dec 31 2014, 02:13 PM
lsintampa   I'm at my wits end. Every time I think it is ...   Dec 30 2014, 03:23 PM
ThePaintedMan   You're still just walking around in the dark u...   Dec 30 2014, 03:37 PM
rhodyguy   nice write up rich. concise and to the point.   Dec 30 2014, 09:53 PM
The Cabinetmaker   Why full rich? Turn it back half way. Did you have...   Dec 31 2014, 03:56 PM
lsintampa   Why full rich? Turn it back half way. Did you hav...   Dec 31 2014, 04:11 PM
Philip W.   Running rich will cause a slower idle. Slowly one ...   Dec 31 2014, 05:14 PM
lsintampa   Recap 75 2.0 d-jet - was a California car, cat del...   Jan 1 2015, 02:22 PM
r_towle   Once you have it warm and running, set the idle us...   Jan 1 2015, 04:45 PM
lsintampa   Once you have it warm and running, set the idle u...   Jan 1 2015, 07:45 PM
Java2570   Air bleed screw in throttle body not having any ef...   Jan 1 2015, 09:29 PM
lsintampa   Air bleed screw in throttle body not having any e...   Jan 2 2015, 12:40 PM
lsintampa   Double triple checked and reset: [*]Fuel Pressure...   Jan 2 2015, 03:27 PM
ThePaintedMan   What did you figure out with the missing manifold ...   Jan 3 2015, 07:22 AM
lsintampa   What did you figure out with the missing manifold...   Jan 3 2015, 08:19 AM
r_towle   If that is an intake stud, it's going to make ...   Jan 3 2015, 10:29 AM
lsintampa   If that is an intake stud, it's going to make...   Jan 12 2015, 05:43 PM
The Cabinetmaker   Is that the regulator on the black bracket at the ...   Jan 12 2015, 06:18 PM
lsintampa   Is that the regulator on the black bracket at the...   Jan 12 2015, 06:54 PM
r_towle   Did you tap that bolt hole for a larger stepped st...   Jan 12 2015, 10:11 PM
lsintampa   Did you tap that bolt hole for a larger stepped s...   Jan 12 2015, 10:40 PM
lsintampa   OK, finally got that stud fixed today. So, put ...   Jan 16 2015, 03:16 PM
r_towle   if you remove both the advance and retard vacuum l...   Jan 16 2015, 03:23 PM
lsintampa   if you remove both the advance and retard vacuum ...   Jan 17 2015, 12:06 PM
lsintampa   Don't know if anyone is still following this o...   Jan 27 2015, 05:07 PM
porsche913b_sp   Was your original MPS able to hold a vacuum test ?   Jan 27 2015, 05:11 PM
lsintampa   Was your original MPS able to hold a vacuum test ...   Jan 27 2015, 06:03 PM
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