914 LE Cremesicle for sale, FS Options

[Creamsicle New Zealand]

This is great feed back. Thanks to every one involved. I have one more question - did Porsche make non LE cars during the several week period of making LE cars. In other words could this VIN number have been made as a standard car during this LE period?

[Creamsicle New Zealand]

This is great feedback. Thanks to everyone involved. I have one more question - Did Porsche make non LE cars during the several week period of making LE cars. In other words could this VIN have been made during the LE period but have been made as a standard non LE?

[Creamsicle New Zealand]

Opps sorry for double up.

[Steve Snyder]

This is great feedback. Thanks to everyone involved. I have one more question - Did Porsche make non LE cars during the several week period of making LE cars. In other words could this VIN have been made during the LE period but have been made as a standard non LE?

Absolutely. All of the LE cars (except one, apparently) were produced within a certain VIN range, but not all the cars in that VIN range were LEs. Many were normal Sunflower Yellow, Olympic Blue or other standard and optional color cars.

[87m491]

Nice bait and switch with the picture of the proper LE liveried example as the ads top picture. While it has some outward LE items, touting the paint and front spoiler which are clearly missing, as possible value ads is really a nonstarter. As is the COA really as it would be in hand now had they applied for it when it was first up for sale.....

It's on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-914-LE-CAN...=US_Cars_Trucks

[Mike Fitton]

Here is a red flag, all the pictures on the Can Am website are the same ones in the Ebay listing. So he went and registered it recently: http://bowlsby.net/914/CanAm/914CanAmRegistry.htm

Until a COA is produced with the Can Am option it is just a regular '74 2.0 in light ivory.

[DEC]

My actual project is in the LE VIN-Range has the same equipment
but it was never a LE.
It was a simple white 914 with the most of the available options.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act...amp;vinid=14674

[Creamsicle New Zealand]

Thank you to all for helping me with this. I'm new to 914 and could have made a big mistake. There are a number of things which have raised a red flag. I will keep looking for a LE.

[JeffBowlsby]

This was a great discussion fellas, sorry I have been away for a few days on business, otherwise I would have joined in earlier.

Everything said is pretty much spot on. The 914 LE Registry is just an information site, its not PORSCHE-sanctioned in any way and there may be errors unknowingly. The information made available to us is posted if it appears correct and we attempt to verify its accuracy. Note the number of listings that include what information we have, but which is insufficient to include in the counting of known survivors. We are doing our best to preserve the integrity of the information presented and not just post anything anyone send us.

Steve pointed out that the cars with a COA that we have a copy of are indicated as certified from PCNA and that is as real as it gets. Those without a COA are clearly indicated as NOT CERTIFIED to avoid any misrepresentation. Its in every 914LE owners best interest to obtain the COA as it verifies authenticity.

On 14914, this seller does provide a lot of photos in the Ebay listed to indicate its condition and even on how calling PCNA directly can verbally verify its authenticity. Too bad they just did not get the COA, its not hard to do. Priced appropriately, this could be a real find for someone willing to do the restoration it needs, it has a cool VIN for sure.

The LE Registry also lists tribute LEs and known Light Ivory/Black 914s within the LE VIN range that are verified to now be authentic. With 2400 VINs within the LE VIN range, and 1000 or fewer LEs made, obviously there are more 914s made within that range that are not LE's.

PS, All authentic 914LE cars are within the VIN range. The one car mentioned is perhaps in regards to the cars at the end of the Registry? Those are not LEs because they are missing the Can Am Equipment package.

[Mike Fitton]

When you call PCNA I bet they will only tell you that the vin# falls within the correct range of an LE. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)

I don't know anyone who would take off the LE front spoiler and put a stock one on, no matter what color the car is. I guess it could have been damaged, but to me it is another red flag. How about scratching off some of the bumper black paint and show us some Phoenix Red.

[nevis]

VIN # appears to be correct. Which means this should be genuine. Does anyone disagree with this. Could a non LE car be registered with the 914 CAN-AM registry www.bowlsby.net as being genuine?

Jeff runs an informational Website; it is not directly affiliated with Porsche. So yes, this could be a non-LE car registered with Jeff's site. In fact, although this car is listed on the Jeff's site, it is clearly stated that this car is currently "Not Certified" as an LE. It also shows no information whatsoever that would identify it as an LE other than falling within the PCNA-stated VIN range (VIN 4742914914). I'm guessing the owner submitted his car to bowlsby.net as an "LE" with no supporting documentation, so Jeff listed it as "Not Certified" until he received additional evidence (hoping Jeff will weigh in with some clarification here). Jeff does not list the car as "Certified" unless he is sent a copy of the the official Porsche COA, which, as noted above, is really the only valid means of identifying authentic LE paint code cars. Perhaps Jeff will weigh in with some clarification here...

It would be awesome if this car is a true LE, because the VIN is so cool... but the seller's inability to provide a COA and unwillingness to even picture the chassis plate (with the paint code) casts serious doubt on its authenticity.

[Mike Fitton]

This ad was posted on 12/30/2014. We are in the 4 to 6 week range for his COA, maybe he is getting ready to post a copy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[nevis]

Hello-I'm the seller of the 914 LE Creamsicle that posted this ad-
I'm amazed at so much response and debate regarding the authenticity of the car.
A couple things-
I don't have the COA but will order if the car doesn't sell as it's currently on eBay
As for the the LE Registry, more than half of the cars listed aren't "certified", which basically means they don't have a COA posted to the site.
I'm now attempting to add the photo of the chassis VIN plate to this ad. If I can't for some reason, serious buyers are welcome to email me or text me and I'll send them a photo I've taken. I've owned about a dozen Porsches, been a member of PCA, 911s Registry and other Porsche clubs. If I was going to take the time to falsify the sale of a Porsche I'd probably spend my efforts on a 911S ....just saying.
Again, serious buyers can email me at darrylbgood@yahoo.com or simply call me at 818 613 3107 I'm in the Los Angeles area.

[Mike Fitton]

Hello-I'm the seller of the 914 LE Creamsicle that posted this ad-
I'm amazed at so much response and debate regarding the authenticity of the car.
A couple things-
I don't have the COA but will order if the car doesn't sell as it's currently on eBay
As for the the LE Registry, more than half of the cars listed aren't "certified", which basically means they don't have a COA posted to the site.
I'm now attempting to add the photo of the chassis VIN plate to this ad. If I can't for some reason, serious buyers are welcome to email me or text me and I'll send them a photo I've taken. I've owned about a dozen Porsches, been a member of PCA, 911s Registry and other Porsche clubs. If I was going to take the time to falsify the sale of a Porsche I'd probably spend my efforts on a 911S ....just saying.
Again, serious buyers can email me at darrylbgood@yahoo.com or simply call me at 818 613 3107 I'm in the Los Angeles area.

When you call PCNA do they tell you that it is an authentic Can Am/LE or just that the vin# is in the range?

[lostreasure]

I would love to find a 914 LE! have you tried scraping/testing any area-Bumper,wheels etc.. for signs of phoenix red color? Also I believe porsche will confirm the "LE'option over the phone but it usually takes 2-3 days for them to get a reply from records in Germany. Good luck and hope it turns out to be the real deal! Any one else out there i would gladly offer a $1,000 reward/finders fee for an original LE that i purchase.

[struckn]

I noticed in the EBay Photos there is White Paint showing under some of the ruber Gaskets and where the carpet was pulled it looks to be old original white paint. I think it also shows white under the engine compartment lid?

I'd give it a "may be could be", and with some further certification that would be a great find for some body.

[nevis]

VIN chassis plate photo added

hopefully someone will realize that this car is genuine and step up and buy-
it's amazing how much controversy this ad has brought-
by the way over half of the LE cars on Jeff's site are not certified...which simply means they don't have a COA

please contact me with any more questions- darrylbgood@yahoo.com 818 613 3107 OR COME SEE THE CAR

honestly if I was trying to falsify the sale of a Porsche I would probably do a 911S or another $100K+ car

[JeffBowlsby]

When you call PCNA do they tell you that it is an authentic Can Am/LE or just that the vin# is in the range?

The way it works is when you call you give them the VIN, they look up the Kardex of your VIN and confirm either way. They don't say "its within the LE VIN range".

[Steve Snyder]

This was a great discussion fellas, sorry I have been away for a few days on business, otherwise I would have joined in earlier.

Jeff,
Thanks for chiming in here. I know a little about this stuff, but you are most certainly the LE expert! I'm glad I did not misrepresent anything about your most excellent Website. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

VIN chassis plate photo added...
honestly if I was trying to falsify the sale of a Porsche I would probably do a 911S or another $100K+ car

nevis,
The "chassis plate" is the plate in the forward section of the diver's door jam containing the stamped chassis number ("KAROSSERIE NR.") and the paint code ("KUNSTHARZLACK"). I'm surprised someone who has owned "a dozen Porsches" doesn't know that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
A "Creamsicle" would have a paint code of L80E stamped on that plate.

With regard to LE "falsification." I can only say that it has been done before. After all, an LE has only cosmetic differences to the fully loaded regular 2.0 models produced within the LE VIN range, so it is much easier to claim that a 914 is an LE that has been resprayed and had various trim bits replaced than to try and replicate 911S mechanicals and build sheets. It's also less risky, because people spending $100K+ for a garage queen are going to do far more homework.

Still, LE or not, $15K for a fully loaded '74 2.0 CA car is not a bad price if it is in good condition. If I lived in the LA area, I'd certainly go look at it. It's just a bonus if the car began life as an LE; one could revert to the original paint scheme next time it was due for a respray (and look for an authentic optional front valance in the mean time). And I really like the VIN.

[nevis]

Steve-

thanks for the clarification-

correct chassis plate photo added-