 914 LE abandoned, how sad., Been sitting outside for 1-year++ |
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| JeffBowlsby |
 Jan 27 2015, 08:15 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses  Group: Members Posts: 8,533 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None 
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PCNA has the info...they have the power...they won't release a list of exact VINs or an exact quantity made. A kind soul there did however confirm for me the first and last LE VIN in their records...which I have indicated on the LE Registry. That person has moved on.
Two other semi-official documents are known to indicate 914 LE quantities...the initial marketing release which indicates 1000 would be built, and a later letter that suggests approximately 800 LEs were actually built. Its plausible that fewer than 1000 were built because the car was not a big seller, in spite of its value pricing and limited production. At this point its really a guess until PCNA releases a complete VIN list. Attached thumbnail(s)  Attached image(s) 
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| SirAndy |
Jan 27 2015, 08:22 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,676 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Jan 27 2015, 06:15 PM)  PCNA has the info...they have the power...they won't release a list of exact VINs or an exact quantity made. A kind soul there did however confirm for me the first and last LE VIN in their records...which I have indicated on the LE Registry. That person has moved on. Two other semi-official documents are known to indicate 914 LE quantities...the initial marketing release which indicates 1000 would be built, and a later letter that suggests approximately 800 LEs were actually built. Its plausible that fewer than 1000 were built because the car was not a big seller, in spite of its value pricing and limited production. At this point its really a guess until PCNA releases a complete VIN list. Well, that letter states that about 800 went to the US but we also know of a few European ones that were not meant for the US market. Meaning, the total number could still be greater than 800 and maybe even close to the 1000 mark. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Jan 27 2015, 08:32 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,533 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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Good point Andy. I own the last known numbered Jubillaumsmodell medallion (Euro 914LE) that I have seen, #68, there may be more but I have found no records. I also have records of 20 914SLs that went to Japan. Mr. Hussey owns one of them. So we can add at least 88 to that ~800 number, perhaps more so maybe ~888.
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| bigkensteele |
Jan 27 2015, 09:10 PM
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Major Member Group: Members Posts: 2,197 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Cincinnati, OH Member No.: 2,660 Region Association: South East States
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QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Jan 27 2015, 06:15 PM) PCNA has the info...they have the power...they won't release a list of exact VINs or an exact quantity made. At this point its really a guess until PCNA releases a complete VIN list. Interesting. I wonder the motivations for keeping this type of benign information secret. I am an IT guy for a publishing company. If you were to ask me how many copies of a particular book we ever sold (in the last 7 years or so), I could have the answer in as long as it would take for me to write and execute the SQL. Anything past 7 years, sorry... we don't need or want to keep records that far back. I would think that automobile manufacturers (especially German) would have a much higher standard for data retention given liability laws, so it would stand to reason that they may have digitized the records in question. I wonder if the question has never been asked to the right person. If you were to call our receptionist, she would have no way to tell you how many books we sold, and there is a pretty good chance that she would have no idea who to forward the call to. If she forwarded it to me, I would want to know who is asking and why they want to know (publishing is very competitive). Just thinking that a different approach to PCNA to get the answers might pay dividends, say a Panorama editor or somebody like that... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) |
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| Dave_Darling |
Jan 27 2015, 10:02 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,991 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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I'm pretty sure that the records are not in any database. At least, they were not that recently in one. I believe that the information on the CoA was hand-copied from the cards in the "Kardex" as of ~10 years ago. It might have been entered since then, but I'm not sure why they would have taken the time to do that.
Perhaps they are entering the info as they get requests for it? That would make a fair amount of sense.... (Sorry, I just went through a whole bunch of spreadsheet-entry from paper records for the animal shelter I volunteer for. It's not easy, and it's not fast.) --DD |
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| bigkensteele |
Jan 27 2015, 10:39 PM
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Major Member Group: Members Posts: 2,197 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Cincinnati, OH Member No.: 2,660 Region Association: South East States
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QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Jan 27 2015, 08:02 PM) I'm pretty sure that the records are not in any database. At least, they were not that recently in one. I believe that the information on the CoA was hand-copied from the cards in the "Kardex" as of ~10 years ago. It might have been entered since then, but I'm not sure why they would have taken the time to do that. Perhaps they are entering the info as they get requests for it? That would make a fair amount of sense.... (Sorry, I just went through a whole bunch of spreadsheet-entry from paper records for the animal shelter I volunteer for. It's not easy, and it's not fast.) --DD I was just going by the fact that they were able to tell Jeff the first and last LE VIN numbers, thus establishing the official "range" that we have all adopted. If the records were not digitized, I do not know how those numbers could have been established, other than by ruining a couple of weeks for some file-clerk. |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 28 2015, 12:59 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,676 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(bigkensteele @ Jan 27 2015, 08:39 PM) I was just going by the fact that they were able to tell Jeff the first and last LE VIN numbers, thus establishing the official "range" that we have all adopted. If the records were not digitized, I do not know how those numbers could have been established, other than by ruining a couple of weeks for some file-clerk. The data isn't digitized ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Jan 28 2015, 03:38 AM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,533 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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I made friends with a former COA person at PCNA, she was congenial and helpful. She just looked in her records. There are ~2500 VINS in the LE VIN range, they are not going to take the time to carefully examine each record to see which ones are LEs. Not gonna happen anytime soon. They really don't care much about our old cars.
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| carr914 |
Jan 28 2015, 05:43 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 118,992 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States  |
How about a Back Door approach - get Pete Stout (Editor of Pana and one of us) to do an article on LEs. As part of his research he asks PCNA for the info and wala, the info doesn't make into the article but is passed along to you.
Lots of PCA Officers have had one or still have a 914 |
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| TJB/914 |
Feb 5 2015, 04:19 PM
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Mid-Engn. Group: Members Posts: 4,336 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Plymouth & Petoskey, MI Member No.: 346 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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It's still there collecting snow from our recent 16" drop a few days ago. The shop is still locked up with lots of car tracks circling around the bldg. looking for life or maybe their ride inside the locked shop??? I've tried to contact the shop people I know with no luck. I did tuck a note up under the cover on the windshield for the owner to contact me. Buy or Help!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) Please call. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) I'll keep checking & hope to find this LE a new home, got to save it from a cruel rust free life ?? Tom Attached image(s)    
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| dcheek |
Feb 5 2015, 05:02 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 691 Joined: 30-May 06 From: Westfield, New Jersey Member No.: 6,103 |
I hope it doesn't come to this....................
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| PBC914 |
Feb 5 2015, 09:00 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 30-December 10 From: Minneapolis Member No.: 12,545 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Obtain the plate number and sign up on the web for a license plate search. For $35 you will obtain all the info you need on the owner. Good luck!
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| VaccaRabite |
Feb 7 2015, 10:01 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,465 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Its in storage.
There is snow but not road salt. Someone took the time to buy and put a cover on it. Please approach this with caution. We don't need another "number 4." Zach |
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| Dr Evil |
Feb 8 2015, 12:50 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,002 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Dont tell B-rad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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| TJB/914 |
Mar 23 2015, 07:05 PM
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Mid-Engn. Group: Members Posts: 4,336 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Plymouth & Petoskey, MI Member No.: 346 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) It's gone (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)
I went by the boarded up shop today and the 914-LE's keys were on the ground where it was parked:WTF: and the 914-LE is gone. I picked up the key and now have the 914-LE car keys in my position (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I'll check the local police dept. tomorrow & see if they have a record of anyone towing it away. Could it be stolen or in a chop shop (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Mystery (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) Tom Attached image(s) 
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| tumamilhem |
Mar 23 2015, 07:41 PM
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Man, that sucks. :/
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| Johny Blackstain |
Mar 23 2015, 07:53 PM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Chopping up an LE for parts would either be a sign of ignorance or rust, since it's maximum value comes from being an entire LE unit. Really glad mine is covered in the garage & runs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| rgalla9146 |
Mar 23 2015, 10:06 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,569 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None
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I'd bet the key was left on top of a tire so that someone could retrieve the car after hours....... a long time ago.
The fact that the key was not used when the car was taken away....... does not bode well for the car |
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| 914_teener |
Mar 23 2015, 10:13 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,205 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
Prolly only had a bad CHT or something.......?
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| damesandhotrods |
Mar 23 2015, 11:21 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 568 Joined: 26-September 10 From: Santa Cruz California Member No.: 12,218 Region Association: Northern California |
“This 914 LE real one was in a (fresh water) flood last spring and at this shop for repairs.”
“It's been sitting outside for the last 6-months” It has flood damage, and the owner has let it sit at the garage for 6 months, probably racking up storage fees, this sounds like a car that needs an awful lot of expensive work. |
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