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> Tips for removing rocker cheeseheads?
sdthomas
post Feb 13 2015, 02:26 PM
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I'm trying to remove my rocker panels to inspect and clean out the longs but can't get the cheesehead screws loose. I've sprayed them with PB Blaster every day for a week, to no avail. Any other tips?


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post Feb 13 2015, 02:30 PM
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Pb (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) blaster for 36 hours heat vice grips cursing and a screwdriver.
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post Feb 13 2015, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(bandjoey @ Feb 13 2015, 12:30 PM) *

Pb (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) blaster for 36 hours heat vice grips cursing and a screwdriver.


Yes to Vice grips. Soaking and patience.

FWIW -- Have not had good luck with PB Blaster, but have GREAT luck with silikroil.
(You can read the reviews on Amazon.com)

For a couple very stubborn ones; ended up having to us some map gas which worked. One snapped, but it was easy to drill our and re-tap.

It probably would not have snapped if I practiced my own words of soaking and patience.

Good luck.
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post Feb 13 2015, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(bandjoey @ Feb 13 2015, 03:30 PM) *

Pb (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) blaster for 36 hours heat vice grips cursing and a screwdriver.


Agree with vice grips. Not sure if heating the vice grips will transfer enough heat - never heard of such, but interesting.

Do you have new cheeseheads? 914Rubber sells stainless...

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post Feb 13 2015, 03:20 PM
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If those fail, this always works for me on stuck screws.

http://www.harborfreight.com/impact-screwd...case-37530.html

The torque it provides really helps. Just be VERY careful not to dent anything!
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post Feb 13 2015, 03:29 PM
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Yes on the impact screwdriver. No to harbor freight! Cheap bits break the first time you use them.
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post Feb 13 2015, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(somd914 @ Feb 13 2015, 03:38 PM) *

QUOTE(bandjoey @ Feb 13 2015, 03:30 PM) *

Pb (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) blaster for 36 hours heat vice grips cursing and a screwdriver.


Agree with vice grips. Not sure if heating the vice grips will transfer enough heat - never heard of such, but interesting.



Pretty sure he meant to put a few commas in there...... pb-blaster for 36 hours, heat, vice grips, cursing and a screwdriver.

You can also try slightly tightening the screw before trying to back it out. if it moves a little both ways, keep treating it with blaster or silikroil
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post Feb 13 2015, 03:40 PM
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I had one stubborn one and it eventually broke off. Had to drill it out and re tap. Luckily it cleaned out OK.

Good Luck !
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post Feb 13 2015, 03:50 PM
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Thanks for all the advice! What's the best way to apply heat? Blow torch? Heat gun? I really don't want to strip them.
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post Feb 13 2015, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(sdthomas @ Feb 13 2015, 04:50 PM) *

Thanks for all the advice! What's the best way to apply heat? Blow torch? Heat gun? I really don't want to strip them.


Map gas would be your least expensive, best option. I just bought a tank/torch set for $50 at HD.
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post Feb 13 2015, 04:18 PM
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That screw looks to be in very good condition.
Because it is still "square" you can get a tight hold on it with a vise grip. Clean the teeth of the vise grip with a wire brush first. Work slowly, plenty of lube.
That'll come right out.
Those washers on the screw are original.
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post Feb 13 2015, 05:01 PM
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Still think the impact screwdriver is worth a shot. Cheap and I guarantee you'll end up using it again. Much easier to get in there than vice grips and you won't risk burning the paint with flame. But all of the options mentioned have merit (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Feb 13 2015, 05:14 PM
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I just ran into the exact issue last week. As everyone says, PB Blaster or similar, and vice grips. And cursing. Don't forget the cursing.

I tried an impact screwdriver, but the angle is such that it's impossible to get a good smack on it unless the car is on a lift. Even then, it's not so easy.

I would not use heat there, too close to the paint for me.

Squeeze the vice grips on as tight as you can go, and I'll bet anything it will come out. Be sure and lube the bolt when you replace it.
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post Feb 13 2015, 05:16 PM
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Aha, good point Mike. I forgot that you'd have to get that side of the car up pretty durn high to be able to get the impact in there.

Vice grips it is!
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post Feb 13 2015, 05:48 PM
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Soak in between the inner edge of the rocker. Tap, tap, tap on the screw head. Repeat. Heat, spray tap, heat....not something to lean with a set of vice grips. Have a light hand and be patient. Aero-kroil, PBblaster.
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post Feb 13 2015, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(sdthomas @ Feb 13 2015, 04:50 PM) *

Thanks for all the advice! What's the best way to apply heat? Blow torch? Heat gun? I really don't want to strip them.


I use a heavy duty soldering iron for screws in bodywork works great unless it is totally fused by rust. I don't see a big difference in wd40 or on pbblaster or liquid wrench
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post Feb 13 2015, 06:09 PM
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Thanks for all the advice! What's the best way to apply heat? Blow torch? Heat gun? I really don't want to strip them.


I've always found that Liquid Wrench old formula works best & far better than the PB Blaster ..... another one sold at plumbing stores is "Loose N" as 2nd best.

With all, do several sprayings over a few days with soaking over night, & tap on them in between to knock crud loose & let the penetrating oil get in better.

Make sure to use the large size screwdriver which fits into the cheeseheads' slots with no play & vice grips on the screwdriver handle as above + if needed, maybe a breaker bar or pipe on the vice grip's handle for more leverage, but that will take 2 - 1 to hold the screwdriver firmly in the slot & straight, the other to turn the breaker bar/pipe.

I got mine off that way in 2011 - which hadn't been off since 1980 - 31 years!

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post Feb 13 2015, 06:09 PM
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I use Worth anti seize on everything !

Next time the screws will come out.




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post Feb 13 2015, 06:23 PM
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couple of years ago, I had the same problem. I got them out by first jacking the car up and putting it on jackstands to give me some clearance. I then got a big ass screw driver with a thick square shank. I put the handle of the screwdriver on my floor jack and jacked it up slowly while positioning the screwdriver blade in the slot of the screw. Once I had it firmly pressed in the slot with the jack, I put a crescent wrench on the screwdriver shank and I was able to back the screws out one at a time. Slow going but very effective. the pressure applied by the jack prevented the screwdriver from slipping out of the slot.

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