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Hitting the Dyno, Should be fun.. |
Jetsetsurfshop |
Feb 22 2015, 12:39 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 814 Joined: 7-April 11 From: Marco Island Florida Member No.: 12,907 Region Association: South East States |
Hey Everyone,
I have a dyno appointment coming up next week. Is there anything that will take me by surprise? The guy running the dyno just said to not forget gas. I plan on bringing, fuel, straps, fans, and my weber jet kit. Can anyone thing of anything else required? What RPM should I stop at? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) My car has larger valves (48-38), duel valve springs, solid lifters and a 494 webcam. Heres more info on the car. 2258cc 10.5 to 1 Compression Ratio 40 webers Tangerine headers 98 octane fuel What do you think she'll make at the wheels? Shane |
carr914 |
Feb 22 2015, 02:32 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 118,181 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
Depending on Cam, your Peak HP & Torque will be in the 5500 to 5900 range.
For an Engine Dyno, I've had to supply the Oil. If it's a new rebuild, I would use Joe Gibbs Break-In Oil If it's at the Crank, 150 hp, At the Wheels, 130 |
Jetsetsurfshop |
Feb 22 2015, 04:13 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 814 Joined: 7-April 11 From: Marco Island Florida Member No.: 12,907 Region Association: South East States |
Depending on Cam, your Peak HP & Torque will be in the 5500 to 5900 range. For an Engine Dyno, I've had to supply the Oil. If it's a new rebuild, I would use Joe Gibbs Break-In Oil If it's at the Crank, 150 hp, At the Wheels, 130 Bringing oil is a good call. I'm thinking 120-130hp at the wheels. Anything over that will be a bonus. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
Jetsetsurfshop |
Feb 22 2015, 04:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 814 Joined: 7-April 11 From: Marco Island Florida Member No.: 12,907 Region Association: South East States |
What gear do you run a dyno in? 4th?
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Randal |
Feb 22 2015, 06:45 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,446 Joined: 29-May 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 750 |
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carr914 |
Feb 22 2015, 08:02 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 118,181 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
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carr914 |
Feb 22 2015, 08:06 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 118,181 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
Engine Dyno's make for a Cool Day!
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wndsrfr |
Feb 22 2015, 09:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 30-April 09 From: Rescue, Virginia Member No.: 10,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
What do you think she'll make at the wheels? Shane Different dynos give different results, but if you've got things right, you'll be getting near 150 at the wheels I think. Watch the AFR's like a hawk....shoot for 12.5 or so...keep it fat & stay below 13.... You might want to try a run with the air cleaner lids off....depending on how tall your velocity stacks are, the lid on the air cleaner can affect the induction. I found that to be the case on my /6 and installed a taller air filter element to help out a bit. Max power on my /4 Raby Kit 2316 was around 6000....I had my fuel cut on the SDS injection set at 6800.....here's the graph....93 octane fuel and CR at 10:1....enjoy! |
Randal |
Feb 22 2015, 11:16 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,446 Joined: 29-May 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 750 |
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ThePaintedMan |
Feb 23 2015, 12:19 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,885 Joined: 6-September 11 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 13,527 Region Association: South East States |
Never been to a dyno, but I understand some of the principles of them. I believe that all dynos are calibrated for a certain RPM (of the roller itself, so that translates to MPH). They'll know what theirs is calibrated for, usually 80-100 MPH. So you want to achieve that speed in the gear that you choose when the motor has run all the way to the end of it's powerband. In most 5-speeds that might be 3rd, but on a 914 gearbox maybe 4th? I'm sure the guys at the dyno can explain that a little further for you. Basically you're looking for accuracy.
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ChrisFoley |
Feb 23 2015, 01:46 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
Use 4th gear for your dyno pulls.
3rd will accelerate too quickly IMO. |
Borderline |
Feb 23 2015, 02:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 720 Joined: 8-February 05 From: San Juan Bautista, CA Member No.: 3,577 Region Association: Northern California |
The few times I've been on the local chassis dyno, we always ran in 3rd gear. IIRC, they said it had to do with how long the run took. they were trying to get it to be about 10 seconds. My buddy tells me that the fuel/air ratio will change with the different gears. Higher gears tend to load up the engine more and draws more fuel causing a richer mixture. I'm not sure.....just go with what the dyno operator says (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Has the engine been broken in yet? It's hard to break in an engine on a chassis dyno. Make sure you have it broken in before trying to dyno tune it. Have a good selection of jets and tools to change them quickly. Most dyno guys are used to making changes to your electronic fuel injection and don't have a lot of experience with Webers. You're basically going to be changing main fuel and air correction jets. Be careful to roll on the throttle and not just mash it down. The accelerator pump will screw up your bottom end readings. I'm sure there is more......just can't remember it all right now (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
brant |
Feb 23 2015, 06:44 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,614 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
We always end up using 4th
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campbellcj |
Feb 23 2015, 10:44 PM
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I can't Re Member Group: Members Posts: 4,540 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Agoura, CA Member No.: 21 Region Association: Southern California |
I'd be surprised if you need your own straps and fans, unless it's a "my buddy just bought a dyno" type of scenario.
Pretty sure my pull a few months ago was in 4th gear. The car was really zinging. Loud as all hell with the open pipes and webers just a few feet away. |
carr914 |
Feb 24 2015, 05:47 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 118,181 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
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Jetsetsurfshop |
Feb 24 2015, 02:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 814 Joined: 7-April 11 From: Marco Island Florida Member No.: 12,907 Region Association: South East States |
Been working a lot these past few days, forgot to keep up with my post. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
I was, and may still be, doing a dyno reading for my TT classification with NASA. I have since talked to the director and theres a formula for my modifications that does not require me to do a pull. So after all that, I may pass depending on what he director says. I might still do it for the fun, but work is busy in Southwest Florida this time of year. (need to make those deposits) Thanks for the input and if I still go, Ill post the info for all to see. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) PS. Engine is broken in (two years on build) Its not a "buddy with a dyno", I just alway come prepared. Fourth gear is what we though too. If it pans out, I just don't want to blow her up!!! |
wndsrfr |
Feb 24 2015, 04:27 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 30-April 09 From: Rescue, Virginia Member No.: 10,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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Jetsetsurfshop |
Feb 24 2015, 04:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 814 Joined: 7-April 11 From: Marco Island Florida Member No.: 12,907 Region Association: South East States |
If it pans out, I just don't want to blow her up!!! I'm guessing that you're comfortable with your jetting but interested to know how you determined what to use....do you have a wideband installed? I do. We installed it after I ran it to lean and cracked a piston. I have worked on the a/f ratio after that. I was going to try to "dial it in" more if possible but my dad (read as mechanic) can't go with me. Another reason to wait till summer. |
wndsrfr |
Feb 26 2015, 09:22 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 30-April 09 From: Rescue, Virginia Member No.: 10,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
It's hard to beat the left foot brake dyno for spot checking AFR's at various rpm's...need a good stretch of highway, get it up in 4th, left foot on brake and go WOT while keeping an eye on the wideband. Do a run at 4000, 5000 and 6000 (watch the radar detector also!). Here's one on my /4....turn up the volume!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4jyPRQaVNw |
Jetsetsurfshop |
Mar 6 2015, 10:23 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 814 Joined: 7-April 11 From: Marco Island Florida Member No.: 12,907 Region Association: South East States |
Ok Guys,
Here's my dyno results. I didn't have anytime to work with the carbs. The car was a little rich when we finally got some good pulls and it was a long day already so I didn't work on the fuel mixtures at all. My point of the dyno was for a TT classification with NASA. I hope this puts me in a class thats appropriate for my car. I got to admit that if the car made more power I'd been embarrassed about my lap times at Sebring. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) Attached thumbnail(s) |
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