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| r_towle |
 Aug 23 2015, 09:05 AM
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Custom Member  Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States 
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Adam cutting up a car? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)
What is going on here??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) This is not right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) Modifying a 914 to unique owner specs? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Adam,,of you need help, setup a party so we can come cut up some sheet metal and get that body mounted already... Have it on the test mule by open house.... Rich |
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| rick 918-S |
Aug 23 2015, 03:21 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,443 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region 
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Do what you will. The 928 guys are seeing chevy V8 cars now regularly. That's fine. Anyone that wants to take a 25k car and make it into a 10k car can do as they will. You say you couldn't spend 20k on a project yet your willing to erase history and likely investment value to build a kit car. After all, no matter what you do your not building a real 904... Where's the Porsche lineage?
From an engineering standpoint if you change the length of the car your changing a lot more than the length. The time invested in building a proper chassis would far outweigh the amount of work you will encounter trying to unfix the altered wheelbase. And a proper tube chassis will be lighter, stronger, more aesthetically pleasing and far more tunable than a chopped up unit body. You quote Ferry. He didn't put his stamp of approval on a cut up unit body car when the 904 project underwent development. But hey... as the Chinese say. You can't tell someone something their not ready to hear. Flame on. Respectfully I need to say my perception of engineering goes way beyond the quick and dirty. |
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| Unobtanium-inc |
Aug 23 2015, 06:15 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,206 Joined: 29-November 06 From: New York Member No.: 7,276 Region Association: None
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Rick-
A couple of things. 1. I don't think you or a few others really understand what I'm doing. I bought a car that was at the end of the line, obsolete in racing, had already been sitting for 8 years since it last saw the track, and it took the guy 6 months on the world's largest marketplace to sell it, meaning nobody wanted it. I'm taking a car no one wants and making it in the long tradition of a Porsche Special, this goes back to the beginning of the Marque. I'm re-inventing something that the world has deemed obsolete and making it desirable once again. I already have two offers to buy when I am finished, one of which bought my last "special" Da Spoodster. 2. Everyone is going on and on about the history, which will be preserved in any real sense by the car still being used, which it wouldn't have been if I hadn't of bought it. It's not like it would have ever raced again, it's was completely obsolete in it's last clas of GT3, because it was getting smoked by real GT3's. The Hewland gearbox upgrade was the last gasp for this car. 3. A certain group is screaming of what a tragedy my project is, yet not one person has made a real offer to buy the car and thus "save" it. So my original truth still holds true, it's a car no one really wants. 4. I fail to see how this is a "kit car", it's a Porsche body down to the last millimeter, put this body next to an original fiberglass 904 and find a difference, there isn't one. I am putting it on a Porsche chassis, using nothing but Porsche components, and it retains a Porsche VIN. I fail to see how this isn't a Porsche. That's like saying an Abarth isn't a 356. So 50 years from now then this car is still being traded around due to it's uniqueness, long after the yellow 914 would have been stripped for the guts and left behind someone's shop to rot, you guys can come back and thank me for my vision. Attached thumbnail(s) 
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| wndsnd |
Aug 23 2015, 06:21 PM
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You wanted a horse, but got a goat. Nobody wants a goat.... Group: Members Posts: 2,861 Joined: 12-February 12 From: North Shore, MA Member No.: 14,124 Region Association: North East States |
Does nothing for me.
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| rick 918-S |
Aug 23 2015, 06:39 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,443 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region
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QUOTE(wndsnd @ Aug 23 2015, 07:21 PM)  Does nothing for me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yawn.gif) quick and dirty |
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| Bruce Hinds |
Aug 23 2015, 06:50 PM
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V-8 madness Group: Members Posts: 733 Joined: 27-December 06 From: Port Orchard, WA Member No.: 7,391 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
PM sent - 356 related . . .
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| gms |
Aug 23 2015, 06:55 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,694 Joined: 12-March 04 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 1,785 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Adam is there a build thread for "Da Spoodster"
BTW there might be a copyright infringement using "Da" to describe anything outside of Chicago |
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| Unobtanium-inc |
Aug 23 2015, 07:02 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,206 Joined: 29-November 06 From: New York Member No.: 7,276 Region Association: None
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Here is the thread for Da Spoodster
<http://forum.porsche356registry.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=28200&hilit=spoodster> http://forum.porsche356registry.org/viewto...hilit=spoodster There are a lot of parallels between the two projects, no one wanted the wide body monster that I started with building Da Spoodster, but there was a line waiting before I even got it done. |
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| warpig |
Aug 23 2015, 07:13 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 290 Joined: 2-August 10 From: Portland OR Member No.: 12,002 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(Unobtanium-inc @ Aug 23 2015, 05:15 PM) Rick- So 50 years from now then this car is still being traded around due to it's uniqueness, long after the yellow 914 would have been stripped for the guts and left behind someone's shop to rot, you guys can come back and thank me for my vision. I prefer not to wait 50 years, Thanks for doing this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) |
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| Bartlett 914 |
Aug 23 2015, 07:17 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,214 Joined: 30-August 05 From: South Elgin IL Member No.: 4,707 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Adam I have to ask how far have you looked through this project? The 904 is wider and shorter like 6" Where do you plan on removing the 6"in the length?. This will have to come out of the passenger compartment somewhere. The 904 is also wider. The wheelbase is different. This car will end up being such a hack job if you really don't complete a real blueprint with dimensions. You are going to end up with another hack job like the center drive car. Clearly that was one done without any real thought. No one appreciates that vision. The body of the 904 is one of the most beautiful cars ever made. This could end up looking like a cheap "Kit car". By the time you do all the hacking to make this work and money spent, you could have constructed a perfectly fitted tube frame that will function better. than the 914 ever could. I suggest a taking deep breath and giving additional thought to the full process. If you want people to appreciate your vision, do it right.
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| Mike Bellis |
Aug 23 2015, 07:46 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None
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Why is everyone giving this guy so much shit? Leave his alone so he can build his car, his way.
Too many armchair quarterbacks around here... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) |
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| Spoke |
Aug 23 2015, 07:56 PM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,978 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None
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I get disappointed every time I open this thread and the content isn't about the build. Let's all just sit back, crack open a cold one, and enjoy the work going on.
Keep up the good work. Can't wait to see this thing come alive. |
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| Unobtanium-inc |
Aug 23 2015, 08:21 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,206 Joined: 29-November 06 From: New York Member No.: 7,276 Region Association: None
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That's why I'm slicing up the center seat car first, to see if I can do it, if I don't, no harm done. I will decide what to do with the yellow car and figure out another way.
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| ConeDodger |
Aug 23 2015, 08:26 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,579 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(Unobtanium-inc @ Aug 23 2015, 08:15 PM) Rick- A couple of things. 1. I don't think you or a few others really understand what I'm doing. I bought a car that was at the end of the line, obsolete in racing, had already been sitting for 8 years since it last saw the track, and it took the guy 6 months on the world's largest marketplace to sell it, meaning nobody wanted it. I'm taking a car no one wants and making it in the long tradition of a Porsche Special, this goes back to the beginning of the Marque. I'm re-inventing something that the world has deemed obsolete and making it desirable once again. I already have two offers to buy when I am finished, one of which bought my last "special" Da Spoodster. 2. Everyone is going on and on about the history, which will be preserved in any real sense by the car still being used, which it wouldn't have been if I hadn't of bought it. It's not like it would have ever raced again, it's was completely obsolete in it's last clas of GT3, because it was getting smoked by real GT3's. The Hewland gearbox upgrade was the last gasp for this car. 3. A certain group is screaming of what a tragedy my project is, yet not one person has made a real offer to buy the car and thus "save" it. So my original truth still holds true, it's a car no one really wants. 4. I fail to see how this is a "kit car", it's a Porsche body down to the last millimeter, put this body next to an original fiberglass 904 and find a difference, there isn't one. I am putting it on a Porsche chassis, using nothing but Porsche components, and it retains a Porsche VIN. I fail to see how this isn't a Porsche. That's like saying an Abarth isn't a 356. So 50 years from now then this car is still being traded around due to it's uniqueness, long after the yellow 914 would have been stripped for the guts and left behind someone's shop to rot, you guys can come back and thank me for my vision. It's a cool project. You bought and paid for everything so you can do what you want. I would have to disagree that it was a car that no one wants. That market is very limited and timing is everything. Many may want it, vintage racing is all the rage and for good reason. It's a lot of fun. That car has a history. All I think anyone is saying is that they wish you wouldn't sacrifice a car with history to do this. Here's an example of a car that was at the end of its run. No one wanted it. It was abandoned at Road Atlanta. This picture was taken by our own Paul Woodbury (Ury914). It was purchased by Adam Carolla and restored by Les Canaday at Classic Datsun Motorsports. Again, do what you want. But the dissenters have a point... Attached image(s)  
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| Unobtanium-inc |
Aug 23 2015, 08:30 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,206 Joined: 29-November 06 From: New York Member No.: 7,276 Region Association: None
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Well, if someone really wants it, I'm not hard to find, so far, lots of tears and hand wringing, but no signs of a checkbook.
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| wingnut86 |
Aug 23 2015, 08:41 PM
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...boola la boo boola boo... Group: Members Posts: 1,053 Joined: 22-April 10 From: South Carolina Member No.: 11,645 Region Association: South East States |
Geezus.
This is why I left the Pontiac threads after so many years. AND, those guys got their asses kicked out of GM! ...unfairly I might add (69' was my favorite year - NO, not position). Anyone remember "The9XXClub"????? And people laugh when I suddenly want to build a boat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif) Scotty, you sick muppet... I AGREE Adam:bullshit: And, there's always Club NARP... From South Carolina, where being 1st in many things, ...and last in others is, well, can be a real Bummer. Dave B. |
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| Garland |
Aug 23 2015, 08:41 PM
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Restoration Fanatic Group: Members Posts: 1,328 Joined: 8-January 04 From: ......Michigan...... Member No.: 1,535 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Enjoy it, or just be entertained, not that there's anything wrong with that! To each his own. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
"The yellow 914 would have been stripped for the guts and left behind someone's shop to rot." True since no one else wanted it, most likely it would go for parts. And if they did (let's make this simple) if you snoozed you lost! 6 months, really, you missed out. For those of you that were going to buy it, and not swap out any parts, how big is your collection? And how did you miss this one? If you were selling your, car. And you couldn't sell it ,with out parting it out. You would put it in storage till somehow you got a offer, or went broke, or, you died first? He sold it! Personally, I'll chatch a episode from time to time, as with all else here. I sold my bike to a kid down the street, 3 days later, it was repainted, with different handle bars, I was horrified. I was 12. |
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| wingnut86 |
Aug 23 2015, 08:58 PM
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...boola la boo boola boo... Group: Members Posts: 1,053 Joined: 22-April 10 From: South Carolina Member No.: 11,645 Region Association: South East States |
DUDE, not the fancy Evil Knievel version with the dope tank (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)
...course I was into girls, OP gear & new Bones wheel on my skateboard by then. "Can't We All Just Get Along" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) QUOTE(Garland @ Aug 23 2015, 10:41 PM) Enjoy it, or just be entertained, not that there's anything wrong with that! To each his own. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) "The yellow 914 would have been stripped for the guts and left behind someone's shop to rot." True since no one else wanted it, most likely it would go for parts. And if they did (let's make this simple) if you snoozed you lost! 6 months, really, you missed out. For those of you that were going to buy it, and not swap out any parts, how big is your collection? And how did you miss this one? If you were selling your, car. And you couldn't sell it ,with out parting it out. You would put it in storage till somehow you got a offer, or went broke, or, you died first? He sold it! Personally, I'll chatch a episode from time to time, as with all else here. I sold my bike to a kid down the street, 3 days later, it was repainted, with different handle bars, I was horrified. I was 12. |
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| wingnut86 |
Aug 23 2015, 09:00 PM
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...boola la boo boola boo... Group: Members Posts: 1,053 Joined: 22-April 10 From: South Carolina Member No.: 11,645 Region Association: South East States |
Two thoughts Rich:
1- That's some funny Shite you typed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) 2- Where are them damn greedy Admins when you need them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Dave B. QUOTE(r_towle @ Aug 23 2015, 11:05 AM) Adam cutting up a car? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) What is going on here??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) This is not right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) Modifying a 914 to unique owner specs? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Adam,,of you need help, setup a party so we can come cut up some sheet metal and get that body mounted already... Have it on the test mule by open house.... Rich |
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