Pertronix Ignitor III, any experience P-related or not? Options

[Gatornapper]

Aaron -

The total advance is easily reduced by bending the stop tab for the weight that is attached to the spring.

Logically, with the total advance being 22 deg., a 25% reduction in that gap would result in a total advance of about 16 deg.....which would probably work fine.

Or, I could add a small spring to the two posts on the other weight - but not knowing what the result would be.....

The only problem is the flat spot between 1700 rpm and 2400 rpm (as far as advance) remains and I see no mechanical way to change that.

GN

It may have been mentioned, but the 009 has too much advance. What ends up happening is you end up with way too little advance down low so that you don't over advance above 3K RPM. The Mallory's that Jake use to sell were fairly linear and had 16 deg total advance (12-28).

[Gatornapper]

Wondering where I could get a Bosche 009 made in Brazil - its advance curve looks perfect.

Very linear and only 20 degrees total.......

Anyone know?

GN

[Gatornapper]

Found the advance curve for the Pertronix D182504 Flame Thrower Distributor:

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipOHpcB...HWl1g9ImZ6cMX02

Looks perfect for a 914 2.0.


GN

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Wondering where I could get a Bosche 009 made in Brazil - its advance curve looks perfect.

Very linear and only 20 degrees total.......

Anyone know?

GN

@Gatornapper - I have a couple

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TD -

No mud at all. I looked at these and seriously considered it.....want to see the advance curve first - and see how one would keep the advance to no more than 22 deg.

Checking now to see if I can get the advance curve off of Pelican's site.......if not, I'll call them tomorrow.

Please let us know what they say.

[Gatornapper]

Have you used them? If so, what has been your experience with them?

Any other members here have experience with the Brazillian 009's? I used to spend a lot of time in Brazil and was fairly fluent in Brazillian Portuguese (upon introduction they thought I was a native) - so maybe I'll get along great with these dizzy's.......

Are yours new? PM me with what you want for one.

As Pelican doesn't open until 11am EST, I won't have an answer from them for an hour or more - but will post it for sure.

GN

Wondering where I could get a Bosche 009 made in Brazil - its advance curve looks perfect.

Very linear and only 20 degrees total.......

Anyone know?

GN

@Gatornapper - I have a couple

[ClayPerrine]

If you are looking for a distributor that works well with carbs, get the stock distributor for a 74-74 1.8L L-Jet engine.

Then get this from Pertronix.

https://pertronix.com/electronic-ignition-c...;model=914#auto

Any of the three will work fine. The Ignitor I is what we have been running for years.


Put it in, set the timing to 7.5 degrees at idle. Leave both vacuum connections disconnected.

Then (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

[Gatornapper]

Clay -

Thank you! What distributor would that be?

The Pertronix was ordered Monday and will be here next Monday.......

RE: The advance curve on the Dansk (which is now $67) - Pelican Parts does not have that information and sent me to the European supplier for the Dansk distributor.

Every indication is that the Dansk is a clone of the 009 and thus shares the advance curve of the 009........

GN

If you are looking for a distributor that works well with carbs, get the stock distributor for a 74-74 1.8L L-Jet engine.

Then get this from Pertronix.

https://pertronix.com/electronic-ignition-c...;model=914#auto

Any of the three will work fine. The Ignitor I is what we have been running for years.


Put it in, set the timing to 7.5 degrees at idle. Leave both vacuum connections disconnected.

Then (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

[ClayPerrine]

I don't know the part number, but you should be able to place a wanted to buy ad in the parts forum.

Clay

Clay -

Thank you! What distributor would that be?

The Pertronix was ordered Monday and will be here next Monday.......

RE: The advance curve on the Dansk (which is now $67) - Pelican Parts does not have that information and sent me to the European supplier for the Dansk distributor.

Every indication is that the Dansk is a clone of the 009 and thus shares the advance curve of the 009........

GN

If you are looking for a distributor that works well with carbs, get the stock distributor for a 74-74 1.8L L-Jet engine.

Then get this from Pertronix.

https://pertronix.com/electronic-ignition-c...;model=914#auto

Any of the three will work fine. The Ignitor I is what we have been running for years.


Put it in, set the timing to 7.5 degrees at idle. Leave both vacuum connections disconnected.

Then (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

[Gatornapper]

Clay -

Thanks. Talked to Pelican yesterday - they say the dizzy for the '74 1.8 is the Dansk, which is a clone of the 009........which I now have 2 of........

hmmmm.............

GN

I don't know the part number, but you should be able to place a wanted to buy ad in the parts forum.

Clay

Clay -

Thank you! What distributor would that be?

The Pertronix was ordered Monday and will be here next Monday.......

RE: The advance curve on the Dansk (which is now $67) - Pelican Parts does not have that information and sent me to the European supplier for the Dansk distributor.

Every indication is that the Dansk is a clone of the 009 and thus shares the advance curve of the 009........

GN

If you are looking for a distributor that works well with carbs, get the stock distributor for a 74-74 1.8L L-Jet engine.

Then get this from Pertronix.

https://pertronix.com/electronic-ignition-c...;model=914#auto

Any of the three will work fine. The Ignitor I is what we have been running for years.


Put it in, set the timing to 7.5 degrees at idle. Leave both vacuum connections disconnected.

Then (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

[IronHillRestorations]

I put a brand new Pertronix SVDA on a customer car, with the vacuum advance connected and it ran great, for about 250 miles and the Ignitor tanked. I switched to a 1.8 distributor with vacuum advance and points. This is the 3rd Ignitor that failed prematurely, I'm not a fan.

I tried to put points in the Pertronix distributor, but I couldn't make it happen

[ClayPerrine]

Clay -

Thanks. Talked to Pelican yesterday - they say the dizzy for the '74 1.8 is the Dansk, which is a clone of the 009........which I now have 2 of........

hmmmm.............

GN

Whomever you talked to at Pelican doesn't know 914s.

There is a number on the 1.8L distributor that says 009, but it is NOT the same as the Bosch 009 distributor. The advance curve is completely different, and an L-Jet distributor has a vacuum advance.

I will check my L-Jet parts stash this weekend. I am fairly sure I have an L-Jet distributor.

Clay

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This thread is practically begging for a table that lists;

Factory
Recommend non-stock or Aftermarket
Not recommended


1.7
1.8
2.0
2.0 /6
2.2 / 6
2.4 / 6
3.0 /6
3.2 /6

[Gatornapper]

Perry -

Yes - their track record does not look good - something like 1/3 of those who purchase on Amazon/eBay have negative experiences.

Yes, about 2/3 have great experience.......I'll try the ignitor, but carry a spare dizzy with points.....

Thanks,

GN

I put a brand new Pertronix SVDA on a customer car, with the vacuum advance connected and it ran great, for about 250 miles and the Ignitor tanked. I switched to a 1.8 distributor with vacuum advance and points. This is the 3rd Ignitor that failed prematurely, I'm not a fan.

I tried to put points in the Pertronix distributor, but I couldn't make it happen

[Gatornapper]

Bulls-eye.

This thread is practically begging for a table that lists;

Factory
Recommend non-stock or Aftermarket
Not recommended


1.7
1.8
2.0
2.0 /6
2.2 / 6
2.4 / 6
3.0 /6
3.2 /6

[Gatornapper]

Perry -

Word seems to be that you do NOT leave the ignition ON and engine not running with these......burns up the ignitor module.

A serious design weakness that with good electronic design could easily be fixed....

A hat I wore in the long distant past was Sr. VP of an electronics company......

GN

Perry -

Yes - their track record does not look good - something like 1/3 of those who purchase on Amazon/eBay have negative experiences.

Yes, about 2/3 have great experience.......I'll try the ignitor, but carry a spare dizzy with points.....

Thanks,

GN

I put a brand new Pertronix SVDA on a customer car, with the vacuum advance connected and it ran great, for about 250 miles and the Ignitor tanked. I switched to a 1.8 distributor with vacuum advance and points. This is the 3rd Ignitor that failed prematurely, I'm not a fan.

I tried to put points in the Pertronix distributor, but I couldn't make it happen

[Gatornapper]

Clay -

Do you see the '74 1.8 dizzy on either chart on Post 52 or 55?

Also, what are the three digits prior to the 009? I hear they are definitive.......

GN

Clay -

Thanks. Talked to Pelican yesterday - they say the dizzy for the '74 1.8 is the Dansk, which is a clone of the 009........which I now have 2 of........

hmmmm.............

GN

Whomever you talked to at Pelican doesn't know 914s.

There is a number on the 1.8L distributor that says 009, but it is NOT the same as the Bosch 009 distributor. The advance curve is completely different, and an L-Jet distributor has a vacuum advance.

I will check my L-Jet parts stash this weekend. I am fairly sure I have an L-Jet distributor.

Clay

[sportlicherFahrer]

The ignitor I is prone to failure with KOEO for extended periods. The ignitor II is less touchy about that, has reverse polarity protection, is more stable at high rpm, and has adaptive dwell control.

[rbzymek]

So I have a and OE dizzy that came off of a 1.8L , number 231 181 009 / 022 985 205 AA. Can anyone tell me if this is a "good" 009 or is it the one with the flat spot? Thanks!

[Gatornapper]

I'm guessing, but the chart here

https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/9.../914_timing.htm

along with the chart on Post 55 seem to indicate that your dizzy is the last one on the Pelican list, and different from the 178 009.....

Maybe someone who knows the 914 dizzy's better than I can help.....

GN

So I have a and OE dizzy that came off of a 1.8L , number 231 181 009 / 022 985 205 AA. Can anyone tell me if this is a "good" 009 or is it the one with the flat spot? Thanks!