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> Pertronix Ignitor III, any experience P-related or not?
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post Dec 12 2019, 05:15 PM
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Jim -

Good news - makes sense Pertronix would fix that problem...

GN

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The ignitor I is prone to failure with KOEO for extended periods. The ignitor II is less touchy about that, has reverse polarity protection, is more stable at high rpm, and has adaptive dwell control.
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post Dec 12 2019, 07:23 PM
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The ignitor I is prone to failure with KOEO for extended periods. The ignitor II is less touchy about that, has reverse polarity protection, is more stable at high rpm, and has adaptive dwell control.
UGH! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif) search on any # of the 100 or more Pertronix threads. Its all been covered before.
I continue to use the 1847V "I" version. its cheap simple and the KOEO issue will only occur when the PU & magnet are aligned, so to avoid, DONT leave the key on & engine off (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)
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post Dec 12 2019, 08:56 PM
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Best price yet - Dansk - says it's for '74 914 carbureted......$56....

https://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1974/pors...istributor.html

But also says it equals Bosche 009.....
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post Dec 12 2019, 09:04 PM
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VERY INTERESTING.

A Pelican Parts forum discussion on this subject from 18 years ago.....seems the thinking on the 009 was the same way back then........

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-914...stributors.html
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post Dec 12 2019, 09:11 PM
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As you said, "The "009" mechanical advance dizzy is commonly sold at Bug shops and has a limited advance curve, designed for constant speed applications (non-automotive)."

Like generators........

From a Pelican Parts forum discussion 18 years ago....

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009 is a great distributor, for a generator engine
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post Dec 12 2019, 09:17 PM
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From the Pelican Parts forum post in 2001, the dizzy you want is 0 231 181 009!

You have a "GOOD" 009! Congrats! Avoiding jealousy....... ;-)

GN

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So I have a and OE dizzy that came off of a 1.8L , number 231 181 009 / 022 985 205 AA. Can anyone tell me if this is a "good" 009 or is it the one with the flat spot? Thanks!
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post Dec 13 2019, 08:50 AM
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Rich -

Sorry - I'm relatively new at this 914 thing and still learning. And my tendency - obvious to all - is to keep researching something ad infinitum.....

Meanwhile, back to, "What is a 009 Dizzy?"

Apparently there are THREE.

One works fine, and was an original on the FI system. It is a:

0 231 181 009 - or 022 985 205AA

The other is the one with the flat curve, like mine, that many say is not good on a 914:

0 231 178 009 - no other number is on my dizzy, so I don't know what its other number is....

Does anyone know the numbers on the 178 009 - or the third one?

Pelican lists 4 - 914 distributors - and the last one on the list, the 205AA, is indeed an 009 - but its the 181 009....the last on their list......

https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/9.../914_timing.htm

GN

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QUOTE(sportlicherFahrer @ Dec 12 2019, 08:07 AM) *
The ignitor I is prone to failure with KOEO for extended periods. The ignitor II is less touchy about that, has reverse polarity protection, is more stable at high rpm, and has adaptive dwell control.
UGH! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dead horse.gif) search on any # of the 100 or more Pertronix threads. Its all been covered before.
I continue to use the 1847V "I" version. its cheap simple and the KOEO issue will only occur when the PU & magnet are aligned, so to avoid, DONT leave the key on & engine off (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)
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post Dec 13 2019, 09:37 AM
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GN-
I copied the dizzy part wrong. The good one is 231 181 009 / 022 905 205 AA. The VW part number is....905.... not "985".
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post Dec 13 2019, 10:05 AM
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Ray -

Thanks - I did have the correct number.

Now - anyone know where I can get one??????

Before I put a WTB in the classified section?

GN

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GN-
I copied the dizzy part wrong. The good one is 231 181 009 / 022 905 205 AA. The VW part number is....905.... not "985".
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post Dec 13 2019, 10:13 AM
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Go with WTB. That's where I found mine for $40. I think I will install a Pertronix II and be done with it. I have had a bad experience with Pertronix III dropping sparks at idle.
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post Dec 13 2019, 10:31 AM
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Hold on here - so we are putting down for future reference that

231-178-009 is BAD

but

231 181 009 is OK?
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post Dec 13 2019, 10:52 AM
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So the 231 181 009 aka 022 905 205AA has a curve described by the 205AA part listed in the Pelican link below:

https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/9.../914_timing.htm

It looks like a decent curve with no flat spot, so yes I believe that 231 181 009 is a good dizzy for carbs or L-Jet since there are no FI contacts. It is an OE part for 1.8L.
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post Dec 13 2019, 10:58 AM
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I agree - research I have done confirms that......

That there are GOOD 009's and BAD 009's is, I believe, the origin of the confusion........

And I think it is GOOD that the 914 community be aware of this......

IMHO of course,

GN

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So the 231 181 009 aka 022 905 205AA has a curve described by the 205AA part listed in the Pelican link below:

https://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/9.../914_timing.htm

It looks like a decent curve with no flat spot, so yes I believe that 231 181 009 is a good dizzy for carbs or L-Jet since there are no FI contacts. It is an OE part for 1.8L.
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post Dec 13 2019, 11:03 AM
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What I'd like to know is where does the 022 905 205AA number come from? or all the other 205's listed on Pelican's list?

Is it marked on the dizzy just like the 0 231 178 009 on mine? Mine has no other number....

Enquiring minds want to know.......

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post Dec 13 2019, 11:47 AM
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FYI....

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post Dec 13 2019, 11:55 AM
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AH-HA!

It's a VW Part number!

The 0 231 178 009 has neither the VW nor the 022#............

GN

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FYI....

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post Dec 13 2019, 12:28 PM
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Wondering if at this point we shouldn't move this discussion to a Distributor thread???
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post Dec 13 2019, 02:38 PM
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GN,
That's the Bosch number 231 181 009. The VW part number is the the right of the VW logo (022 905 205 AA)
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Here is a graph of the curve base on the Pelican table data for the VW 022 905 205AA aka Bosch 231 181 009

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post Dec 13 2019, 06:59 PM
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NOW it makes sense!

Thank you!

On the Pelican list, they use the VW numbers.

Now - wondering what the Bosche numbers are for the following VW numbers, ending in:

205 D
205 E&F
205 J

GN

QUOTE(rbzymek @ Dec 13 2019, 03:38 PM) *

GN,
That's the Bosch number 231 181 009. The VW part number is the the right of the VW logo (022 905 205 AA)
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