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> Issues with Beetle CV joint failure?
stownsen914
post Apr 22 2015, 09:10 AM
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Hi all,

With 914 CV joints being NLA now, I recently tried out Beetle CV joints when my old ones wore out on my 914/6 race car. I understand they are made by EMPI. I am using the same 914 axles I've used for years. After about 30 minutes of track time, one of the Beetle joints failed (the inner one on the right side of the car). Basically the joint seems to have been plunging too far inward and the lateral force seems to have just forced the joint apart. No broken parts are immediately apparent. The joint seems to have just fallen apart!

I also noted that the inner races of the joints seem to be gouging the output flanges on the trans. This occurred on both sides fo the car. I had noticed some of this wear previously, but it seems to have accelerated significantly with the Beetle joints (especially considering only 30 minutes of use). See the pics below. It's hard to tell from the pics, but the wear spots are basically gouged into the flanges about a millimeter or so deep.

I never had any failures or unusual wear with the 914 joints I used for years, so I am at a loss what happened here. Anyone have a similar issue with Beetle joints? I'm wondering if I should be trying Lobro or other joints, or a different setup entirely ...


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stownsen914   Issues with Beetle CV joint failure?   Apr 22 2015, 09:10 AM
SirAndy   Yes, they over-extend and fail. There have been se...   Apr 22 2015, 10:53 AM
Racer Chris   Yes, they over-extend and fail. Scott's prob...   Apr 22 2015, 02:59 PM
ThePaintedMan   In both failure cases there's no evidence of ...   Apr 22 2015, 07:05 PM
SirAndy   After McMark's issue we carefully inspected th...   Apr 23 2015, 11:11 AM
Racer Chris   ... on the VW CVs, the inner portion had signifi...   Apr 24 2015, 07:28 AM
Mugs914   ... on the VW CVs, the inner portion had signif...   Apr 24 2015, 11:18 AM
Racer Chris   ... I'll be really interested to know why the...   Apr 24 2015, 01:18 PM
malcolm2   Racer Chris from Tangerine Racing has also develop...   Apr 22 2015, 11:06 AM
malcolm2   I knew I had a picture.... So actually the grease ...   Apr 22 2015, 11:24 AM
stownsen914   The cap gets distorted easily since it's thin ...   Apr 22 2015, 12:14 PM
Jetsetsurfshop   My drivers side made a nice grease line too. It se...   Apr 22 2015, 12:48 PM
mskala   The Tangerine ones have a step on the outside. Th...   Apr 22 2015, 12:57 PM
Randal   Hi all, With 914 CV joints being NLA now, I rece...   Apr 22 2015, 10:54 PM
malcolm2   Did I read that the balls are too small? Or at le...   Apr 23 2015, 08:02 PM
stownsen914   Did I read that the balls are too small? Or at l...   Apr 24 2015, 03:57 AM
Matt Romanowski   I've got years of time on Chris' CV joints...   Apr 25 2015, 09:16 PM
McMark   I'm convinced that my failure and apparently t...   Apr 25 2015, 10:51 PM
mskala   Well, I may have a new data point as of last night...   Apr 26 2015, 06:59 AM
Bartlett 914   Maybe a little off topic here but I wanted to add ...   May 3 2015, 12:01 PM
stugray   A couple of observations I have made: 1 - I have ...   May 6 2015, 12:16 PM
Racer Chris   ... I'm sure someone will be able to identify...   May 7 2015, 06:14 AM
914_teener   :agree: I thought this was brought up already. ...   May 6 2015, 10:33 PM
mskala   Unless I'm wrong about how CV's work, the ...   May 7 2015, 07:01 AM
Racer Chris   Unless I'm wrong about how CV's work, the...   May 7 2015, 08:12 AM
malcolm2   QUESTION>>>> I replaced both passenger...   May 8 2015, 09:17 AM
malcolm2   Bump for my ???   May 11 2015, 09:35 AM
Racer Chris   Bump for my ??? It shouldn't matter.   May 11 2015, 09:35 AM
stownsen914   After the fairly quick failure of the EMPI joint i...   May 12 2015, 10:52 AM
naro914   Scott First of all, sorry to hear all the issues y...   May 12 2015, 02:17 PM
naro914   Also... are you running 5 lug wheels? This was a ...   May 12 2015, 02:30 PM
stownsen914   Thanks Bob. It was great to see Nadine after all t...   May 12 2015, 06:39 PM


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