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Rotisserie Alternatives, Looking for options |
JoeDees |
Jun 30 2015, 09:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-November 14 From: Northern Kentucky Member No.: 18,106 Region Association: None |
I've concluded that I need to replace significant portions of the lower wheelhouse, inner long, and the suspension console. I've spent the day researching and reading the classic threads and like many of the rack-like assemblies my predecessors have built. Let's hear some easy but still effective ways to get this thing off the ground and straight enough for structural repairs.
I really like the one for "Bringing out your Dead" but can't quite figure out the points it's mounted. After bracing the doors, can I use the front jack points, a long support along the floors, the outer suspension console, and the trans mount area? I ready for some ideas. I'm trying to develop as many COAs (Courses of Action) as possible. Thanks. |
Mike Bellis |
Jun 30 2015, 09:32 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None |
I would build a rolling cart. A rotisserie may make the body sag during cutting and welding. Use the 4 donuts on the underside of the body to mount the tub.
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madmax914 |
Jul 1 2015, 12:14 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 16-February 14 From: Salem, Oregon Member No.: 17,007 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Check out Restoration Design's Youtube page, they have a do-it-yourself rotisserie that seems pretty basic.
www.restoration-design.com https://youtu.be/T0a4xq91jgs |
mbseto |
Jul 1 2015, 05:50 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,253 Joined: 6-August 14 From: Cincy Member No.: 17,743 Region Association: North East States |
Just finished working through that same decision myself. I ended up building a dolly. After reading through a ton of rustoration threads and looking over their approaches and the discussions on whether the bracing was adequate, I came to Mike's conclusion that if you want it to be straight, it's going to need to be not just well-braced but also level while you're welding.
That in mind, I welded up a dolly. This gives me a level and square reference. Then I fabricated brackets to mount to the suspension mounts. My donuts are not (yet) fit for this. I've got door braces to adjust, but there is also the top rail of the dolly that I can use as a straight reference and shim against if there is sagging in the longs. And if push comes to shove, I can still make a rotisserie. But for now, I think a rotisserie will be best for painting. I'm planning to have a pro do that and hope they will have something. |
JoeDees |
Jul 1 2015, 11:36 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-November 14 From: Northern Kentucky Member No.: 18,106 Region Association: None |
I'm looking for a good dolly design. You have any pictures and plans for that dolly?
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JoeDees |
Jul 1 2015, 08:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-November 14 From: Northern Kentucky Member No.: 18,106 Region Association: None |
The wife gave me a go ahead to buy a rotisserie with the money I made selling my Beetle, but I'm still on the fence. For 1, I don't want/need to completely strip the car; and 2, my last move seriously downgraded my garage size. So after I spent another day researching, I have 3 questions:
1. How much space from the bumper to the to the end of the rotisserie? My new garage has a curb separating the parking area from a storage/work area. Centered, there's about 1.5ft from the bumper to garage door and the same from the other bumper to the curb. Is this enough? 2. If I instead opt for a jig/dolly, can I use the outer suspension console as a mount point? 3. If the donut/jackpoint is one of the cut out areas, where should I brace in the middle-rear? Thanks |
mepstein |
Jul 1 2015, 08:40 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,239 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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infraredcalvin |
Jul 1 2015, 11:30 PM
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Distracted Member Group: Members Posts: 1,509 Joined: 25-August 08 From: Ladera Ranch, CA Member No.: 9,463 Region Association: Southern California |
The 1.5 feet extra in front and back (if I understand correctly) should work, barely. You can build the rotisserie so it mounts closer to the car. I made this with no prior welding experience. I bought "the welders handbook" and my wife got me a 220v mig welder from Eastwood one Christmas. I went to a metal supply with the parts list from:
http://www.blueskymotorsports.com/index.ph...18&Itemid=6 I had to make a few adjustments based on material availability, but after about $300 in steel and an afternoons work cutting and welding I have this: You're going to have to learn/practice welding anyway, thick material is the place to start. I have a 2nd 914 tub to work on now, I was thinking of building a dolly so I have one of each. One thing to think about is how you're going to get it up in the rotisserie. I have a lift, so I have no need for attachments to raise or lower the car. I work on my cars alone so everything I do must be accomplished with one set of hands, a pain something's, but it is my retreat/my alone time. |
mr914 |
Jul 2 2015, 12:29 AM
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914 Hillbilly Group: Members Posts: 576 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Lincoln NE Member No.: 131 Region Association: None |
Either way, door jamb braces are THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY!
Hinge hole to door latch, minimum. Better is both hinge mounts to latch mount and upper seat belt mount, with cross bracing.. Build a turnbuckle in for readjustment and that is even better... My rotiserie was made of 2" thin and thick wall tubing for easy brake down and transporting.. Other was 1" square tubing and 1/4" plate. other parts by TSC/harbor freight. 6' come along was the only challenge, eithe mcmaster Carr or grainger I can send/post more details Attached thumbnail(s) |
mr914 |
Jul 2 2015, 12:32 AM
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914 Hillbilly Group: Members Posts: 576 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Lincoln NE Member No.: 131 Region Association: None |
Bracing photo. Strut and pressure plate used for counter ballance to help from spinning too easily
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VaccaRabite |
Jul 2 2015, 05:35 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,426 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Build a rotisserie.
You will remove the bumpers and attach the rotisserie arms to the bumper mounting points. If your car is a 75/76 this is super easy. You just mount it directly to the bumper shocks. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/farm1.staticflickr.com-1435-1435836906.1.jpg) Mine did not stick out much further then the bumpers and would fit in your garages. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/farm1.staticflickr.com-1435-1435836907.2.jpg) My car is a 76, so I just bolted it directly to the bumper shocks. Pretty easy. Mine was also built using 2 harbor freight engine stands. They were cheaper then I could buy the steel. I just cut them up and welded more to make it work. I tried to talk myself out of making the rotisserie, but after I had the car up, I frankly could not see how anyone restored a car without one. Added bonus: sold it for a small profit after the car was back on the ground again. Zach |
saigon71 |
Jul 2 2015, 06:38 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,998 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Dillsburg, PA Member No.: 10,428 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
If you can find a way to fit a rotisserie in your garage - do it...it will make the restoration much more manageable.
I had space constraints too. After installing body braces, I cut lengths of 2 X 4 and screwed them together with drywall screws. One side at a time, I held the car up with boards & jackstands to make repairs. It wasn't fun or efficient...but it did work. |
mbseto |
Jul 2 2015, 06:51 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,253 Joined: 6-August 14 From: Cincy Member No.: 17,743 Region Association: North East States |
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Amenson |
Jul 2 2015, 06:51 AM
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That's opposite lock!! Group: Members Posts: 645 Joined: 27-May 05 From: Dublin, OH Member No.: 4,154 Region Association: None |
If anybody is in the Columbus area I found this on Craigslist.
Chassis Cart Somebody please buy it so that I can't! Cheers. Scott |
stugray |
Jul 2 2015, 08:35 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,824 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None |
I had to make a few adjustments based on material availability, but after about $300 in steel and an afternoons work cutting and welding I have this: One comment: DO NOT leave that stand with the center horizontal support out! (the one that connects the two stands) If you move that stand as it is and some of the wheels get caught on something it could rip one of the stands off easily. |
JoeDees |
Jul 2 2015, 10:21 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-November 14 From: Northern Kentucky Member No.: 18,106 Region Association: None |
Thanks for the replies. I'm really leaning towards the rotisserie especially since I know this won't be my last project. The idea of not laying on the floor working in a cramped space over my head sounds wonderful.
I also figure that since there is an extra 6ft of space in my garage on top of the curb, I could always build a wooden platform to make the one end an equal height to the curb end. Now I'm on the fence about building or buying. I really like that the premade ones have a better chance of being square than what I build, they have built in jacks to raise and lower, and the one I'm looking at has a locking mechanism in the spinner. On the DIY side, I really like that the money saved would buy the body panels I need from RD. |
stugray |
Jul 2 2015, 11:07 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,824 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None |
Buy two engine stands from HF and you have 90% of the materials.
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VaccaRabite |
Jul 2 2015, 11:14 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,426 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
You need to build it.
Many of us learned to weld by building the rotisserie. Not to mention that it will cost you about 1/4 of a pre-fab unit. Its an easy project, and is insanely useful. Zach |
JoeDees |
Jul 6 2015, 05:29 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 515 Joined: 10-November 14 From: Northern Kentucky Member No.: 18,106 Region Association: None |
So the rotisserie is a GO, but it has brought up the next question: Bracing.
How much? I will definitely be bracing the doors, but is one per door enough? The longs under the doors are surprisingly good so will not be removed. Only passenger side needs cut and the predominance of the cutting is in the wheel house and engine compartment long. From the jack point to almost the outer suspension console is getting cut out; and on the inside, the inner long from bottom until the inner suspension console (including the console and long under it) is getting cut out. So what kind of bracing do I need to think of? After reading Carey's thread, I'm sure I need a jig for the suspension console's fitment, so should I use the same jig to hold the rear in place or will just the door bracing be sufficient? |
cary |
Jul 7 2015, 06:04 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Next Time ................
https://www.jd2.com/p-94-dr-jig.aspx We're going to rework my rotisserie. It will attach at the bumper and at the suspension points. Then we'll stack the floor pan jig on top of that. Don't go cheezy on the door braces. |
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