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Koni Yellow/Koni Red: What's the difference, besides paint color |
Porsche Rescue |
Feb 26 2005, 01:51 PM
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Saving and Enjoying Old Porsches Group: Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Bend, Oregon Member No.: 64 Region Association: None |
I now have a car with Koni external adjustables. The rears are Koni red color (who knows about front inserts!). My old car had yellow rears?
What is the difference? Same shock, different paint? One older than the other? Or is there a real difference inside? |
vortrex |
Feb 26 2005, 02:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,687 Joined: 24-December 02 From: SF, CA Member No.: 4 Region Association: None |
aren't the yellows the koni sports and the red just the plain old konis?
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Trekkor |
Feb 26 2005, 02:32 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
The yellows are the sports and are adjustable.
I *think* the reds are adjustable, too, but are softer. I thought someone had posted a chart of Koni shock properties with the crossover range shown. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) KT |
vortrex |
Feb 26 2005, 02:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,687 Joined: 24-December 02 From: SF, CA Member No.: 4 Region Association: None |
the reds are definitely adjustable too.
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jd74914 |
Feb 26 2005, 02:45 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,780 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
I just got a NOS set of red fronts off of some guy locally. They are definately adjustable, but I don't know the difference between the red and yellows. It seems like the reds are just older versions of the yellow sport shocks (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)
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airsix |
Feb 26 2005, 04:07 PM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
From the Koni website FAQ:
The KONI Special (red) has been engineered to maximize the ride comfort with good handling performance for each vehicle application. The KONI Sport (yellow) typically starts at a higher initial valving baseline to give a sportier feel and work on vehicles with higher performance parts. In some instances, KONI will only offer a Special or Sport valving and not both. Some modern cars come from the factory with higher tech suspension systems and wheel/tire packages so they would move directly into the Sport range, however they are still valved to give a comfortable ride with very good handling capabilities. |
Porsche Rescue |
Feb 26 2005, 05:05 PM
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Saving and Enjoying Old Porsches Group: Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Bend, Oregon Member No.: 64 Region Association: None |
Sounds like I got the "wus" shocks. Oh well, probably appropriate.
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airsix |
Feb 26 2005, 06:05 PM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
Not 'wus' shocks at all. Bragging rights aside, the shock should be matched to the spring. Yelllow sports on stock springs wouldn't make any sense and wouldn't work very well. They wouldn't be a good match. Reds should be good for stock and even moderatly stiffer springs. Yellows for really stiff springs. Like Jake Raby always says - it's the combo. If you've got anything up to probably a 140# rear spring the reds are the perfect shock IMHO. -Ben M. |
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opera guy |
Feb 26 2005, 06:07 PM
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) thats funny |
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Jeroen |
Feb 26 2005, 06:47 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
like posted above, the reds are more of a comfort shock, the yellows are more "sporty"
both are adjustable, but the yellows are externally adjustable and the reds need to be taken off the car to be adjusted (push the shaft all the way in and rotate) |
anthony |
Feb 26 2005, 06:55 PM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218 |
The front reds are also externally adjustable.
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airsix |
Feb 26 2005, 11:49 PM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
Jeroen, years ago the reds used to NOT be adjustable externally, but for quite a few years they've been making them externally adjustable.
-Ben M |
monkei |
Feb 26 2005, 11:52 PM
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slave to rust.... Group: Members Posts: 137 Joined: 10-August 04 From: Pleasanton, CA Member No.: 2,504 |
so koni sports (yellows) would be ideal for one who wants to go all out (160lb springs, monoball cartridges, hard bushings, bir sway.torsion bars), correct?
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skline |
Feb 26 2005, 11:57 PM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
I just installed a set of the red front adjustables, it is way stiff now. So stiff it bounces. I am not sure but I dont think I like it. I may have to pull them out and soften them up a little. I push on the front and it doesnt budge much at all.
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Aaron Cox |
Feb 26 2005, 11:58 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
i have the NEWER reds with the knob... i run street at 1/3 stiff and AX at 2/3 to full stiff... theyu are plenty stiff for me.... yellows must be crazy stiff!
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Porsche Rescue |
Feb 27 2005, 12:05 AM
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Saving and Enjoying Old Porsches Group: Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Bend, Oregon Member No.: 64 Region Association: None |
Thanks Ben. Guess I'm not ready for Viagra yet. I have externally adjustable reds with 140lb springs. My former car had yellows with 180's. I'm not so "wussy" after all.
I'll start with 2/3 hard (no pun intended) for my first AX with this car. |
Trekkor |
Feb 27 2005, 12:06 AM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
I love the feel of the front Yellow's on full firm.
150# rear springs with full soft Koni's. KT |
Triaddave |
Feb 27 2005, 12:06 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 244 Joined: 31-December 03 From: olympia,wa Member No.: 1,478 |
i run red koni's at all four corners, all externally adjustable. the rear's have yellow springs. i think that they are heavier than the 140 lbs i had, the 140's went on the wife's 914.
i also have 23 mm torsion bars on the front. most 914's could have 22 mm installed but for some reason i have the 911 front end and as far as i can tell, the car came that way. it's a 75 car.... i autocross and it hooks up great, need new tires every few years.,damn. |
Triaddave |
Feb 27 2005, 12:08 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 244 Joined: 31-December 03 From: olympia,wa Member No.: 1,478 |
now that i thinks about it, maybe the springs are blue
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Aaron Cox |
Feb 27 2005, 12:11 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
i need some beefier torsion bars (911 spline)
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