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Which Sway bar, I want a sway bar on my 914

Trekkor	Feb 27 2005, 12:37 AM Post #21
I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California	I went from no bar, to the biggest made. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) I've never driven a 914 with any other bar. All or nothing at all... KT

chunger	Feb 27 2005, 02:44 AM Post #22
Member Group: Members Posts: 409 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Albany, CA Member No.: 133	Hi, I have a snazzy 19mm swaybar I should get rid of. . . picked it up from Mueller a long time ago. It's got brass bushings I think and grease fittings. Pretty hip little setup. I feel w/ the weight of a V8, I should go bigger though. No drop links $150. Guess I should go and take a picture of it sometime. -'Chung

ArtechnikA

Feb 27 2005, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE (trekkor @ Feb 27 2005, 01:01 AM)

I'm running the Smart Racing Products 31mm bar set half firm.
Am I the only one running the BIG bar?

that's the bar i have for the front of the 911 with (IIRC) a 27mm for the back.

my only beef with that bar is the droplinks, which IMHO should NOT use 8mm hardware. (i had a car nearly destroyed when an 8mm Heim joint failed in compression and broke). for some reason, only Ira at Tarret gets this and uses 10mm hardware.

so i bought Tarett droplinks and i'll have the connectors remachined for 10mm holes.

oh - i did a substantial increase on the front & back torsion bar sizes too...

Trekkor	Feb 27 2005, 11:06 AM Post #24
I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California	When I saw the pics of my front set-up again last night I thought the hiem joints looked undersized compared to the girth of the rest of the parts. Show pics of the improved set-up. KT

Aaron Cox	Feb 27 2005, 12:26 PM Post #25
Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California	yep.... tarett has big 10mm heim joints (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

nine14cats	Feb 27 2005, 01:08 PM Post #26
Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None	Hi Chase, I'll chime in here since I've used different swaybars and motor configs in my 914 over the last few years. Going from no swaybars to swaybars (or at least a front one) will make a huge difference. Add sticky tires (Dot-R's) and the 914 becomes a ton of fun to drive at an auto-x. The weltmeister's take a rap for being shitty....and I can understand some of the design issues as I literally wore out the slider nuts from making so many adjustments at auto-x's and track days. But they are very cost effective. I found that on stock torsion bars in front and up to 140lbs springs in back with Bilsteins all around on my stock FI 2.0 4 cyl, the 19mm front bar gave me plenty of adjustment. As the car progessed (i.e. I spent more money on it...) what started as a street car for occasional auto-x turned into a full fledged dedicated track car. I moved up to 200lb springs and 23mm T-bars and a 22mm Welt. Stuck a 2.8L hot six in her and moved up to 400lbs springs in back and ran out of adjustment with the 22mm Welt, so in goes a 27mm Smart Bar. I finally have gone nuts and sold that car and am having one built ground up by Brad, Scott Y., and JWE. This car will have the prototype Tarrett rear bar that Ira is working on with Brad. The front already has a 27mm Smart in it. My opinion is that if you are going to keep the car streetable and comfortable, you probably won't go over 180lb springs in the rear (140 or 150's max most likely) and you can use any of the bars out there in the front. Btw, I'm on of those guys that runs a rear bar hooked up even without an LSD, for me I like the feel better. But getting a front bar is where you want to go first. Have fun....sounds like you're in with the rest of us! Bill P.

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Feb 27 2005, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE (trekkor @ Feb 26 2005, 11:01 PM)

I'm running the Smart Racing Products 31mm bar set half firm.
Am I the only one running the BIG bar?
This is a very expensive bar, but worth every penny.( $700 )
Amazing and very predictable ride and handling.
You can hit the corners fast and hard.

With 150# rear springs and rear sway bar it is well balanced.

KT

Sweet baby Jesus! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

I need one of those.

9146R	Feb 27 2005, 02:09 PM Post #28
Member Group: Members Posts: 223 Joined: 28-September 04 From: alamo ca Member No.: 2,849	Removed my rear sway bar - car felt twitchy at speed. Run 22mm fr swaybar, 22mm torsion bars, coil over (250 lb) rear with Konis set full firm on Hoosiers. Very neutral and tons of fun at turn-in.

ArtechnikA

Feb 27 2005, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE (trekkor @ Feb 27 2005, 12:06 PM)

Show pics of the improved set-up.

okay - the Tarett droplinks have 10mm R and L

the Smart droplinks have 10mm Righthand, 8mm Lefthand.

i'm operating under the "weakest link" principle and using Tarett's all-10mm links.

also in this picture is the failed 5/16" (8mm) link that destroyed my yello car.

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Aaron Cox

Feb 27 2005, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE (ArtechnikA @ Feb 27 2005, 03:05 PM)

QUOTE (trekkor @ Feb 27 2005, 12:06 PM)

Show pics of the improved set-up.

okay - the Tarett droplinks have 10mm R and L

the Smart droplinks have 10mm Righthand, 8mm Lefthand.

i'm operating under the "weakest link" principle and using Tarett's all-10mm links.

also in this picture is the failed 5/16" (8mm) link that destroyed my yello car.

holy crap! what was the damage to the car? lost it in a corner???

slapshot914	Feb 27 2005, 06:33 PM Post #31
ole swede Group: Members Posts: 88 Joined: 12-February 04 From: Carson City, NV Member No.: 1,649	Hi There, I run stock front and rear sway bars on my '73 2.0l with 100 lb rear springs. It seems to handle OK, but I want to go to 140 lb springs and a stiffer front bar. When I was reading your post, when I saw "funner" I said to my wife he's got to be from Utah. Sure enough. My wife grew up in Pleasant Grove and Orem. Anyway, welcome to the club. When you get the car sorted out, the Alpine Loop is going to be blast. I just about lost it driving a '59 TR3 on one the curves above Sundance. So take care.

Skid	Feb 28 2005, 12:34 AM Post #32
Just a fool, a fool in love Group: Members Posts: 68 Joined: 1-February 05 From: Chattanooga, TN Member No.: 3,538 Region Association: None	slapshop, Its funny that you mention the Alpine loop, I live about five minutes away from it but have yet to take the teener for the ride. I didnt realize that funner was a Utah word, but then again I have lived here my whole life so I guess its just instinct (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/monkeydance.gif) . Anyway, It sounds to me like I should get at least a 19mm front bar and not go with the stock bar. Where is a good place to get one of these bars for a decent price? Chase

Eric_Shea	Feb 28 2005, 12:47 AM Post #33
PMB Performance Group: Admin Posts: 19,274 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains	Welcome! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) A fellow teener from planet Utah (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif) Wow (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) Why all the big bars gang? I know "You're" all going racing but that's not what he said. I believe he said street with occasional autocross. I agree with the "all 914's should have a bar" I recently had a no bar car and I've never felt the "boat" any more than in that car. It seems like the flat hood accentuates the Chris-Craft list while going around the corners. Only the very earliest 911's had 13mm bars. In fact, I think it was only one year 1966. (912's had 12.5mm bars with 28 spline a-arms) 911 = 15mm 914 = 15mm 76 930 = 18mm 74 911 = 18mm under 78 911 = 20mm under (anyone need one of these?) If you put a stock 15mm bar on that car I personally think you'll be more than pleased with the results. I definately would not go higher than 19mm for what you described as your driving habits.

Eric_Shea	Feb 28 2005, 12:49 AM Post #34
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Feb 28 2005, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE

Why all the big bars gang?

My car is mostly street with a lot of a/x (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

Stock torsion bars. When the shocks are set soft and I run on my cushy street tires, it's a smooth wonderful ride.

I'd go 31mm again ( I really would ).

KT

MattR	Feb 28 2005, 01:00 AM Post #36
Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California	I think my 67 912 has 13mm bars. I may be wrong though, i havent measured the bar.

J P Stein	Feb 28 2005, 01:17 AM Post #37
Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None	Welt tie rod ends have a nasty habit of binding on the U tab. Tarett's don't. Trekkor: You buy into the "big bar" theory. I don't. I'm a stiff rear springs kinda guy. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

cdmcse	Feb 28 2005, 01:47 AM Post #38
Member Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 17-December 04 From: Georgetown, Ky Member No.: 3,305	Hey, why don't you guys have a "skidpad" contest at the WCC and see who can pull the most G's?

Trekkor	Feb 28 2005, 01:57 AM Post #39
I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California	JP, do tell your tale. what make the ULFster tick? I street my 914. So I run a soft ride when I want. KT

J P Stein	Feb 28 2005, 02:13 AM Post #40
Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None	To be honest....I hate that (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) ....I ain't bragging on my set-up cause it isn't where I want it to be.......but I know a stiffer front bar isn't the right direction for me. I am gonna try 275 & 300 lb rear springs.....225s aren't enuff to dial out my push. Another alignment set-up should help turn in also.....I fucked up with the last one. Mainly, big stickey tiars are about the only thing I did right.....but not big enuff (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) If I ever get it right, I'll let ya know. Some folks would say I should just learn to drive, but that ain't gonna happen (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)

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