Best 914s of all time?, Fourteener Motoring is taking nominations Options

[URY914]

So your car was "re-tubbed". That opens a whole new can of worms.

[CodyBFR]

So your car was "re-tubbed". That opens a whole new can of worms.

The thing is though that a huge portion of race cars are and nobody typically bats an eye. There's tons of 935's/956's/962's with duplicate serial numbers because one was tubbed and then the original tub was repaired and put back in service. Wayne from Pelican has a 962 that is this way, and he has the original tub the serial was applied to because is was the LESS valuable one! The overwhelming majority of 917's were re-framed. Both Brumos 58 and 59 914-6GT's were tubbed, 59 has been multiple times. I watched Snodgrass stuff 59 into the tip of the Roebling pit wall so hard it removed the rear clip and ejected the engine from the car.

Every time I look at our original chassis (once a year or so) I get more confident that it can be repaired without replacing too much sheet metal. It helps that my own metal working skills tend to have improved each time ;-). The left rear corner was replaced with 470km by Erwin Kremer after it got hit by a truck, so that sheet metal isn't as it left Karman. This is why it got turned in to a race car; it was totaled by German standards. Karthauser stuffed the front end into a mountain racing I think in 1974, so who knows how much of the front end is OE. I think I'll have to replace the roll bar and most of the LR quarter. The rest will need LOTS of TLC, but I think it can be saved. Both doors open and close and still have the original glass in them (in one piece ;-) ), the car sits flat on all four jack points, and every other bolt-on bit of bodywork that was on the car in the crash was not original - we have all of the original stuff saved. I'm of the opinion with some of the borderline saveable bits of metal that I'd rather them be original and still have some visible creases, not replace everything so the car is a show car but loses 50% of it's sheet metal.

Anyways though, I don't want to derail the thread. I'm in the process of compiling lots of information, pictures, results, etc and will be writing up a nice story which I'll post and then we can continue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

[tp_reading]

So your car was "re-tubbed". That opens a whole new can of worms.

The thing is though that a huge portion of race cars are and nobody typically bats an eye. There's tons of 935's/956's/962's with duplicate serial numbers because one was tubbed and then the original tub was repaired and put back in service. Wayne from Pelican has a 962 that is this way, and he has the original tub the serial was applied to because is was the LESS valuable one! The overwhelming majority of 917's were re-framed. Both Brumos 58 and 59 914-6GT's were tubbed, 59 has been multiple times. I watched Snodgrass stuff 59 into the tip of the Roebling pit wall so hard it removed the rear clip and ejected the engine from the car.

Every time I look at our original chassis (once a year or so) I get more confident that it can be repaired without replacing too much sheet metal. It helps that my own metal working skills tend to have improved each time ;-). The left rear corner was replaced with 470km by Erwin Kremer after it got hit by a truck, so that sheet metal isn't as it left Karman. This is why it got turned in to a race car; it was totaled by German standards. Karthauser stuffed the front end into a mountain racing I think in 1974, so who knows how much of the front end is OE. I think I'll have to replace the roll bar and most of the LR quarter. The rest will need LOTS of TLC, but I think it can be saved. Both doors open and close and still have the original glass in them (in one piece ;-) ), the car sits flat on all four jack points, and every other bolt-on bit of bodywork that was on the car in the crash was not original - we have all of the original stuff saved. I'm of the opinion with some of the borderline saveable bits of metal that I'd rather them be original and still have some visible creases, not replace everything so the car is a show car but loses 50% of it's sheet metal.

Anyways though, I don't want to derail the thread. I'm in the process of compiling lots of information, pictures, results, etc and will be writing up a nice story which I'll post and then we can continue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/classi...ge-Bentley.html


This was an interesting court ruling here in the UK.

[JmuRiz]

Being in NC, maybe having ScottyB take a look at it would make sense. He's in Richmond VA and can probably tell you what needs replaced and what can be saved.

[boogie_man]

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[CodyBFR]

In a feeble attempt to get Steve thread back on track... my top 5 based on car's I'd have in my stable if I found a genie in a lamp (not necessarily in order):

1) The silver 914-8. I never liked the quad lights in the other one
2) My fathers black wide body -6 in it's heyday (it's since been modified not to my taste, but could be put back)
3) Garrettson / Automotion car
4) Todd Knighton's big power turbo street car. It was a super sleeper narrow body car with waaaaayyy too much power.
5) The Karthaüser car

[Larmo63]

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The silver /8 just looks more finished and polished. I don't know how another 914 could be rated (or, valued) more highly than Ferry's.

[stevegm]

The silver car was built after the tangerine 8, correct? When you look at the tangerine car, you quickly realize that it was a tool that was used to work things out prior to production of the 914. Nearly everything is slightly different than the production car - turn signal housing shapes, flares, location of the rear bulkhead, etc. It is all familiar to a 914 enthusiast, yet slightly different. Someone commented at Amelia that "You can almost see the engineers thinking." With that in mind, it seems like the tangerine car is fairly significant in the larger 914 development picture.

[Johny Blackstain]

The silver car was built after the tangerine 8, correct? When you look at the tangerine car, you quickly realize that it was a tool that was used to work things out prior to production of the 914. Nearly everything is slightly different than the production car - turn signal housing shapes, flares, location of the rear bulkhead, etc. It is all familiar to a 914 enthusiast, yet slightly different. Someone commented at Amelia that "You can almost see the engineers thinking." With that in mind, it seems like the tangerine car is fairly significant in the larger 914 development picture.

Steve- the answer is yes. Although they're both prototypes, the tangerine one came before the silver one. The tangerine one is not as refined as the silver one & much more experimental in nature.

[stevegm]

The silver car was built after the tangerine 8, correct? When you look at the tangerine car, you quickly realize that it was a tool that was used to work things out prior to production of the 914. Nearly everything is slightly different than the production car - turn signal housing shapes, flares, location of the rear bulkhead, etc. It is all familiar to a 914 enthusiast, yet slightly different. Someone commented at Amelia that "You can almost see the engineers thinking." With that in mind, it seems like the tangerine car is fairly significant in the larger 914 development picture.

Steve- the answer is yes. Although they're both prototypes, the tangerine one came before the silver one. The tangerine one is not as refined as the silver one & much more experimental in nature.

Thanks. I love the silver car. And I don't have a dog in this fight. I was, however, struck by just how different the tangerine car was from a production 914. It was cool.

[stevegm]

Any other nominations before we close the nominations?

[dlkawashima]

All the Patrick Motorsports builds are pretty epic. Something of theirs should be considered. For example ...

The 916 replica shown at this year's Werks Reunion. The workmanship on this car is simply outstanding. And yes, it has air conditioning but that makes total sense (to me anyway) in a steel roof hard top car.

[JmuRiz]

Above 916 replica...finally someone put a good looking roll cage in a 914!!!!

I've always wondered why no one does a snug to the a pillar cage.

[mepstein]

Above 916 replica...finally someone put a good looking roll cage in a 914!!!!

I've always wondered why no one does a snug to the a pillar cage.

A lot of custom work on that car. I couldn't deal with the red interior but the craftsmanship and design looks great.

[URY914]

Any other nominations before we close the nominations?

[mtndawg]

As far as street cars go, I'd have to suggest considering Paul Sayegh's 3.6. It is immaculate and has all the right upgrades in all the right places under the skin. I can't imagine any way to improve on it. His build was featured across a bunch of Excellence mag issues. I think his board name is PRS914-6

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.sayegh.me-3573-1438814732.1.jpg)

This is the nicest I've seen in person.

[mgp4591]

As far as street cars go, I'd have to suggest considering Paul Sayegh's 3.6. It is immaculate and has all the right upgrades in all the right places under the skin. I can't imagine any way to improve on it. His build was featured across a bunch of Excellence mag issues. I think his board name is PRS914-6

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.sayegh.me-3573-1438814732.1.jpg)

This is the nicest I've seen in person.

And it's for sale! 60k I believe... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)

[dflesburg]

My vote is the kid that made the jump over the draw bridge in Fla.

[dflesburg]

also for your consideration...

[ChicagoPete]

I am obviously partial to the GT's, but, this is one of the coolest.