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> braided stainless steel brake lines, On a street car???
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post Mar 2 2005, 09:52 AM
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My brake pedal is real soft (914-6) . So I plan to

1) flush and bleed the system
2) replace the flexible brake lines with braided stainless steel lines (please recommend a source for the lines)
3) replace the master cylinder.

Some people say don't use the braided steel lines on a street car, some say it is fine. What does everyone think????

Thanks.
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post Mar 2 2005, 09:55 AM
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HERE IS A PHOTO OF SOMETHING SOFT...



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post Mar 2 2005, 10:00 AM
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Stainless braided lines are OK if you promise all of us that you will regularly check them for damage including the parts that get near one of the lines and start to saw through it. It can take less than 100 miles to saw through an aluminum swaybar end link. ala. 928 rear bar. Personal experience (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif)
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post Mar 2 2005, 10:00 AM
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The Cap'n will tell you to replace with new rubber lines.
Others will agree, some will disagree. If you decide to
go with stainless lines make sure you get the DOT rated lines.
Check with GPR and Paragon Products, they both have 'em.
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post Mar 2 2005, 10:01 AM
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WTF? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif)

As far as the brake lines go, I've had them on two cars (240SX and an Accord). It improved the brake feel on each. The Accord was one serious braking machine, whereas the Nissan was so-so. I didn't regret putting them on either car. 've got a set on order for my teener (that isn't even here yet!).
Not only do they improve brake feel, but they also always gave me peace of mind. Something about braided steel as opposed to thick rubber standing between me and not stopping (i.e. hitting a tree). It's all mental, but it's reassuring.

They look cool too! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif)

Cole (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/monkeydance.gif)
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post Mar 2 2005, 10:02 AM
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Some braided lines aren't DOT approved, IMO so long as you make sure you've got DOT approved ones your fine.

The only problem i'm aware of is the braiding can cover cracks / blisters in the tubing underneath.
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post Mar 2 2005, 10:18 AM
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Whether you go DOT braided or rubber lines, you have to remember they are a maintenance item - replace them every couple of years.

That said, about 3 years ago I replaced my lines with new rubber lines. The car probably has 6K miles on it since then, when bleeding the brakes you can see the lines flex.
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post Mar 2 2005, 10:18 AM
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Not a huge fan of SS lines on a daily driver.
I've seen old ones corrode and break off at the fitting. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)
(one was on my own summer only '67bug)

If you use them get new ones every couple of years.
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post Mar 2 2005, 10:18 AM
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Peace of mind with SS covered teflon lines? Whaddya, nuts? The opposite should be true. Period. The ONLY place they belong is on a pure track car, where they're inspected every time the car is tracked, and replaced often. DOT approval means little when the line fails and you end up part of the landscape or firmly attached to the back of someone's car. Ive PERSONALLY SEEN the results! Others I know have had them fail, both on the street and on the track. They don't fail like OE lines, with a slow deterioration. They fail catastrophically, and all of a sudden, out of the blue, you have NO brakes. None! It's your decision, just don't EVER drive behind ME. I firmly believe any perception of better "feel" is entirely a self justifying deception in the mind of the person who spent the money to buy them! The Cap'n
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post Mar 2 2005, 10:30 AM
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Somewhere there was a discussion on re-enforcing the master cylinder mount to prevent flexing of the bulkhead. You may want to look into that as well.
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post Mar 2 2005, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE (scruz914 @ Mar 2 2005, 08:30 AM)
Somewhere there was a discussion on re-enforcing the master cylinder mount to prevent flexing of the bulkhead. You may want to look into that as well.

They did that in the Grassroots Motorsports 914, and they had a good write up on it. Probably not needed for street cars, although I've heard that the MC mounting points can flex quite a bit. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

I've heard more bad about SS brake lines then good. IMHO, I would just get the stock rubber lines. If the rest of the braking system is in good shape, there probably won't be much difference in feel, and the rubber ones are cheaper as well. Although I'm a cheap SOB!
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post Mar 2 2005, 12:02 PM
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Troutman has them.
http://www.germanpartsusa.com/bbl.html
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post Mar 2 2005, 12:09 PM
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The Fed-ex guy should be here anytime with my Stainless Braided brake lines. These will go on a street car. Oh and I have a K&N air filter, sorry Cap'n.
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post Mar 2 2005, 02:06 PM
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SS lines here and K&N Filter also
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post Mar 2 2005, 02:25 PM
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I have K&N Stainless Brake Lines..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
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post Mar 2 2005, 02:45 PM
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!!!i have stainless too.... and a ss braided oil pressure line....and KN filters
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post Mar 2 2005, 03:02 PM
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Sorry Aaron, we still wont put a pooshey on your headstone when you keel over.
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post Mar 2 2005, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE (Travis Neff @ Mar 2 2005, 02:02 PM)
Sorry Aaron, we still wont put a pooshey on your headstone when you keel over.

a what? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)
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an engraved porsche on your headstone of your grave. Arent you supposed to be peeking at all the posts around here, er what? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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post Mar 2 2005, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (Travis Neff @ Mar 2 2005, 02:07 PM)
an engraved porsche on your headstone of your grave.  Arent you supposed to be peeking at all the posts around here, er what? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

Pathetic Attempt at humor - Five yards..First down (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)
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