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post Oct 7 2015, 01:45 PM
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You guys may or may not remember the Junk Yard Dawg, the race car tub we got from a buddy and put on the track with bits scrounged up from around the shop (Pics were posted a while back in the track car pics thread).

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Well, the intention has always been to get rid of the sewer pipe cage and build something much more appropriate. The cage that was in the car was made of 1.75" x .125" tubing and had so many tubes in so many places there was almost no place to put your feet! Besides that it was horribly heavy (140 pounds, as it turns out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) ).

We've been toiling away at the new version and this is what we came up with.

It's built from 1.5 x .095 mild steel and is a low front hoop style. Not quite finished yet, there are a few things to add like a front hoop that goes over the steering column and attaches at the long and the center tunnel (Like a formula car). The main hoop will be faired in to the targa bar so it will look like just a wider targa bar.

To get the seat mounted closer to the center of the car we clearanced the center tunnel by about two inches and then reinforced it with .090" sheet metal along the top.

The design is a bit unconventional, but does conform to the regs for anyone we are likely to run with and the inspectors that have seen it so far are happy with it. The guy sitting under the broomstick is a little over six feet and, as you see, fits under the stick rather easily. I'm 5'8", so I may need a phone book in the seat. We'll see where we end up weight wise, but right now the estimate is somewhere between 40 to 60 pounds lighter than the sewer pipes.

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post Oct 7 2015, 01:48 PM
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Early build pics, more to follow...


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post Oct 7 2015, 01:52 PM
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post Oct 7 2015, 01:54 PM
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post Oct 7 2015, 01:56 PM
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post Oct 7 2015, 02:00 PM
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Broomstick... Sorry for the blurry cell phone pics.


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post Oct 8 2015, 01:58 PM
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Oh, and this is the motor we're going to run in it...

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post Oct 8 2015, 02:53 PM
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When I read that you centered up the seat I immediately thought about the shift linkage at the firewall. I see in later pics of the modification done here. How does this work? Is there a coupler welding in the bar and thats it? Hows the throw on the shifter?
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post Oct 8 2015, 08:37 PM
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Hi Shane,

Even with the seat moved over there is still clearance for the shift rod to come through the bulkhead at the stock location. We installed a 3/4" id "eyeball" bearing on the firewall where the original bushing went.

The original rear shift rod was cut off where it fit into the flex joint behind the firewall and a 3/4" diameter extension welded in place. The rear shift rod now goes from the tranny, through the bearing on the firewall and ends inside the center tunnel.

An apex joint fits on the extension and connects to the front shift rod, which has been shortened and has a 3/4" end welded in to match the apex joint. All of this stuff is visible in the pics.

The shifter assembly itself is made from a stock base plate with heavy duty first/reverse lock out springs, a short-throw bottom end (old Weltmeister, I think) and a custom shift lever turned from 6061 bar stock. The combination of the short-throw bottom end and a rather short lever make for formula car-like shift throws; about 3.5" from second to third. It takes a bit more effort, but is actually quite smooth and easy to use.

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post Oct 10 2015, 07:49 AM
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You may have to cut the trunk to get the motor in (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)
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post Oct 11 2015, 05:59 AM
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Mugs - A couple thoughts...on my car, I found the steering wheel to be slightly offset to the outside of the car. Not that much really but definetly not squared up to the car front to rear. Moving the seat towards the center would make this more pronounced. Is your car not that way?

Also, I am a bit too conservative when it comes to open top cars but that exposure to your chest and head make me bit nervous. Here is what I did with my car to make it somewhat Funny-Car like to give me at least a fighting chance...should things come flying in at me.

I can appreciate the hard work - keep it up!

Tony

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post Oct 11 2015, 10:11 AM
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Maybe the best thing I ever did to my 914 was tie the shock towers to the cage. Suddenly I had a stiff chassis. The front & rear ends were hooked together.
A little bridge work goes s long ways.
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(Cracker @ Oct 11 2015, 04:59 AM) *

Mugs - A couple thoughts...on my car, I found the steering wheel to be slightly offset to the outside of the car. Not that much really but definetly not squared up to the car front to rear. Moving the seat towards the center would make this more pronounced. Is your car not that way?


Actually, the steering wheel was offset to the right a bit and moving the seat over got everything lined up a bit better. The steering column sits at a little bit of an angle relative to the car center line (Comes that way from the factory and even shows up on the blueprints!), but the center of the wheel itself was to the right of the seat center line before the mods.


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Also, I am a bit too conservative when it comes to open top cars but that exposure to your chest and head make me bit nervous. Here is what I did with my car to make it somewhat Funny-Car like to give me at least a fighting chance...should things come flying in at me.

I can appreciate the hard work - keep it up!

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I'm a lot like you actually when it comes to open cars! What isn't in the pics (Because it isn't in the car yet (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) is a front hoop that is probably very similar to what you have in your sports racer. It basically goes from the center tunnel, over the steering column, and down to the left side long. The top will be a bit higher than the top of the wheel and will be braced to the forward hoop. The car will also have a tonneau that completely covers the cockpit area with a small opening for the driver's head. Kind of like this but without the big hole to the driver's left:

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We're also considering a hoop over the driver's head that would go from the center tunnel to the long and tie into the main hoop and again, would look a lot like what you've got in you sports racer.

I'll post up some pics as we make more progress.

Thanks for the concern, BTW!

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post Oct 13 2015, 05:26 PM
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Did you use .120w DOM tubing?
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post Oct 13 2015, 08:29 PM
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Excellent Mugs - Sounds like you've thought of everything.

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post Oct 14 2015, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE(Cracker @ Oct 11 2015, 04:59 AM) *

Mugs - A couple thoughts...on my car, I found the steering wheel to be slightly offset to the outside of the car. Not that much really but definetly not squared up to the car front to rear. Moving the seat towards the center would make this more pronounced. Is your car not that way?

Also, I am a bit too conservative when it comes to open top cars but that exposure to your chest and head make me bit nervous. Here is what I did with my car to make it somewhat Funny-Car like to give me at least a fighting chance...should things come flying in at me.

I can appreciate the hard work - keep it up!

Tony

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Thanks for sharing the cage pictures. I like the added protection, especially for hill climb venues.
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post Oct 14 2015, 03:05 PM
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The tubing is all 1.5"dia. x .095"wall Chris.

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post Oct 14 2015, 03:10 PM
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By the way Tony, I'd love to see some more pics of your DSR. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

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post Oct 14 2015, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(Mugs914 @ Oct 14 2015, 05:05 PM) *

The tubing is all 1.5"dia. x .095"wall Chris.

Mike

Not legal for SCCA then. Doesn't PCA also require the main hoop diagonal to be in the plane of the main hoop?
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post Oct 14 2015, 05:21 PM
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Broomstick... Sorry for the blurry cell phone pics.

very nice work, I only wish I had those skills.
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