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> Honda V-6 in the 914, engine options
tomrev
post Dec 19 2015, 03:04 PM
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Thought I'd put up a few photo's of my current 914 project. I had a six from 1984 to 1998; started with the 2.0 T, then a 2.0S, to a 2.7, and finally a 3.0, with RSR pistons, Solex cams and a few other tweaks. She was a blast to drive, and I drove her to work, and vintage raced her for many years. About six years ago the 914 urge returned, and I built a few V8 cars, one with a LS, the other with old school SBC. They were both cool, and super fast, but just didn't sound right, so I began thinking of another six. Once the price shock passed, I knew it wasn't going to be a Porsche six, and started learning about some alternatives, and settled on the Honda 3.5 V6 from the Pilot, etc. They are all aluminum, variable valve timing, compact, light, and dirt cheap, and make around 250HP, and Ft. Lbs, a nice level for a 914. And happily, Kennedy makes the adapter kit, so that part is out there.
After a trip to the junk yard to look at, and measure, it seemed close enough to bring one home, and really start playing with it. I am aware of one other 914 with this engine in it, but it's a solo car, with out a trunk floor, etc., so one problem fitting it in. I have a nice 20K original car, too nice to start cutting up, so if the engine wouldn't go in, I'd give it up. (The car was a V8 car almost from new, don't panic!).
The engine is very compact, but the intake spreads out over the gearbox, and would stick way into the trunk. Fortunately, the intake can be flipped 180 deg., and by cutting off the throttle body, and re-welding it onto the side, the engine becomes nice and workable. It is a tight squeeze, but fits almost like it was designed to be there.Attached Image Attached Image


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post Dec 19 2015, 03:07 PM
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The intake and water passage mods: Because the dune buggy guy's are using this engine, there are sources for de-bugging the ECU, and the main things you have to do to make the install work, are the pictured mods, and making a front engine mount.


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post Dec 19 2015, 03:10 PM
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Neat! And thanks for posting.

Are those your welds? They look great...

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post Dec 19 2015, 03:12 PM
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I'll be watching this for sure. Those engines are AWESOME. I have a 2007 Pilot with that engine in it. I couldn't be happier.
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post Dec 19 2015, 03:13 PM
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Looks good...how much does the complete engine weigh? We've had an odyssey in the family for the last 15 years and never once ounce of engine trouble. Good choice.

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post Dec 19 2015, 03:15 PM
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I"m looking forward to hearing it; the firing order is from front to back, side to side, 1-4-2-5-3-6, so it could sound pretty cool. Once the engine bar comes back from the powder coater, I can put is back in for good, and finish up exhaust pipes, and plumbing.
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post Dec 19 2015, 03:18 PM
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Looks good...how much does the complete engine weigh? We've had an odyssey in the family for the last 15 years and never once ounce of engine trouble. Good choice.


I think with the flywheel, clutch and alternator it will weigh 365 lbs. Weight is up higher in the car, as it's a 60 deg.V, but at $450. it's a nice start! On the welds, I'm good with a Mig, no so with Tig, so I make all the parts, superglue them together, and have a weld shop finish them.
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post Dec 19 2015, 04:32 PM
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Looks cool! I'll be watching to see it finished. Looks like a good option
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post Dec 19 2015, 07:45 PM
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I had an 04 RL. That motor is the best and will run forever. Easily oil changes too!
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post Dec 19 2015, 08:19 PM
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Nice start...I think if I ever do another swap (or should I say if I ever start another swap to give up on and sell) this motor would be the one to pick!

Andy, can you create a filter so I don't see anymore conversions like this so I stay focused? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Dec 19 2015, 09:07 PM
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Amazing how large a 914 engine bay is, isn't it?
Who would have thunk an engine that tall would fit..and the price is right!
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post Dec 19 2015, 09:35 PM
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So cool! That's the swap for me, have a 2003 Pilot & quite happy with the engine, 175k & not even a plug change, just planned timing belt change. Big fan of them, can't wait for more updates.
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post Dec 19 2015, 09:42 PM
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Looking good. If I had to do it over get the 3.2 I think to turn it sideways in the 914 and use the 5 speed with limited slip and axles into the 914 hubs 24 hrs all day and night.Attached Image Attached Image (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif)
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post Dec 19 2015, 09:44 PM
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Looks a lot prettier nowAttached Image Attached Image Attached Image
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post Dec 19 2015, 10:39 PM
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Great looking project!!! Fantastic motor! Should be a blast when done.
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post Dec 19 2015, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(Mueller @ Dec 19 2015, 06:19 PM) *
Andy, can you create a filter so I don't see anymore conversions like this so I stay focused? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Dec 19 2015, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE(cali914 @ Dec 19 2015, 08:42 PM) *

Looking good. If I had to do it over get the 3.2 I think to turn it sideways in the 914 and use the 5 speed with limited slip and axles into the 914 hubs 24 hrs all day and night.Attached Image Attached Image (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif)

I thought about that also since I worked in a major Honda dealership in the shop. I took the measurements and after you line up the max angles for the CVs and get the trans where it's not dragging on the ground, you end up with the engine partially in the trunk and sticking out about 5 inches worth. I hated to give up on the idea because it's such a sweet package all in one - plus you could call it a Pornda... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
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QUOTE(cali914 @ Dec 19 2015, 08:42 PM) *

Looking good. If I had to do it over get the 3.2 I think to turn it sideways in the 914 and use the 5 speed with limited slip and axles into the 914 hubs 24 hrs all day and night.Attached Image Attached Image (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif)

I thought about that also since I worked in a major Honda dealership in the shop. I took the measurements and after you line up the max angles for the CVs and get the trans where it's not dragging on the ground, you end up with the engine partially in the trunk and sticking out about 5 inches worth. I hated to give up on the idea because it's such a sweet package all in one - plus you could call it a Pornda... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

Insert Hijack (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You could have used chain drive like the S600

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Looking good. If I had to do it over get the 3.2 I think to turn it sideways in the 914 and use the 5 speed with limited slip and axles into the 914 hubs 24 hrs all day and night.Attached Image Attached Image (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif)

I thought about that also since I worked in a major Honda dealership in the shop. I took the measurements and after you line up the max angles for the CVs and get the trans where it's not dragging on the ground, you end up with the engine partially in the trunk and sticking out about 5 inches worth. I hated to give up on the idea because it's such a sweet package all in one - plus you could call it a Pornda... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

Wow I'm glad you shared that information, because my friend Chris was under the assumption it would drop right in
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QUOTE(cali914 @ Dec 19 2015, 08:42 PM) *

Looking good. If I had to do it over get the 3.2 I think to turn it sideways in the 914 and use the 5 speed with limited slip and axles into the 914 hubs 24 hrs all day and night.Attached Image Attached Image (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif)

I thought about that also since I worked in a major Honda dealership in the shop. I took the measurements and after you line up the max angles for the CVs and get the trans where it's not dragging on the ground, you end up with the engine partially in the trunk and sticking out about 5 inches worth. I hated to give up on the idea because it's such a sweet package all in one - plus you could call it a Pornda... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

Wow I'm glad you shared that information, because my friend Chris was under the assumption it would drop right in

"Dropping in" is usually a relative concept... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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