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| Mikey914 |
 Dec 21 2015, 10:57 AM
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The rubber man  Group: Members Posts: 12,638 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None 
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A customer of mine in is doing a 67 912 resto from tub up. The early 912s had the same issues with rust we do and even has foam in them too (just like our 914s).
He used a company in Ohio to dip the car and dissolve the crud (he did scrape off the tar) ans ecoat the entire car. He did the doors 1st to see if he would like the results, and wow! Looks like new metal. Looks like Stoddard will be doing a full write up on this car at some point, but I was so impressed with the results that though I would share. Attached thumbnail(s)   
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| gereed75 |
Dec 21 2015, 11:02 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,239 Joined: 19-March 13 From: Pittsburgh PA Member No.: 15,674 Region Association: North East States
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wow looks great!! of course the next question is who does the process and how much??
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| peteyd |
Dec 21 2015, 11:16 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 705 Joined: 27-March 08 From: Elora, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,858 Region Association: Canada |
Dipping cars is something we never recommend. I have heard too many stories of people painting their car and then 3-5 years later it starts to bubble.
The problem is the acid, or whatever they use to dissolve the paint and crud, gets in between the layers of sheet metal where they were spot welded. Then leaches out slowly and causes bubbling. I also speak from experience. We had a bugeye sprite dipped and through out the restoration liquid was coming from the seems. but that's just my 2 cents. Hopefully your buddy got a good company that rinsed it thoroughly. Pete |
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| dflesburg |
Dec 21 2015, 11:23 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,719 Joined: 6-April 04 From: Warm and Cheerful Centerville Ohio Member No.: 1,896 Region Association: None |
I disagree...
I had mine dipped in 1993 and have had no issues... American Metal Cleaning in Cincinnati did it. |
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| Mikey914 |
Dec 21 2015, 11:40 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,638 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None
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This was not only dipped, but e-coated. We have used e-coating in architectural projects in Hawaii with high humidity and salt air exposure and they've done well over the last 10 years, so I can't think of a better application.
My understanding is the "dipping" process" is using a sacrificial anode, and drawing the oxidized metal away, then putting a water soluble sealer on it, before e-coating. So not your traditional an acid dip. |
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| Cairo94507 |
Dec 21 2015, 12:03 PM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,703 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California
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Looks terrific. I would love to watch that 912 novel along the restoration process.
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| boxsterfan |
Dec 21 2015, 04:15 PM
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914's are kewl Group: Members Posts: 1,776 Joined: 6-June 03 From: San Ramon, CA Member No.: 791 Region Association: Northern California |
Where can I get my 914 done like this? And how much?
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| 914forme |
Dec 21 2015, 05:43 PM
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Times a wastin', get wrenchin'! Group: Members Posts: 3,896 Joined: 24-July 04 From: Dayton, Ohio Member No.: 2,388 Region Association: None
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E-coating done in Ohio, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) that is very tempting.
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| mbseto |
Dec 21 2015, 06:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,253 Joined: 6-August 14 From: Cincy Member No.: 17,743 Region Association: North East States |
Wonder if we could get a quantity discount... group buy?
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| Zimms |
Dec 21 2015, 07:25 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,413 Joined: 11-February 06 From: Michigan Member No.: 5,565 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Dec 21 2015, 12:40 PM)  This was not only dipped, but e-coated. We have used e-coating in architectural projects in Hawaii with high humidity and salt air exposure and they've done well over the last 10 years, so I can't think of a better application. My understanding is the "dipping" process" is using a sacrificial anode, and drawing the oxidized metal away, then putting a water soluble sealer on it, before e-coating. So not your traditional an acid dip. Any chance of getting the name of the place? |
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| dlee6204 |
Dec 21 2015, 07:53 PM
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Howdy Group: Members Posts: 2,162 Joined: 30-April 06 From: Burnsville, NC Member No.: 5,956 |
We have an e-coat system at work for coating truck bodies before paint. The stuff is tough! One of these days I'd like to try and get my 914 in there to get done. I'm definitely going to get my replacement sheet metal coated before welding them on.
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| Rob-O |
Dec 21 2015, 08:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,251 Joined: 5-December 03 From: Mansfield, TX Member No.: 1,419 Region Association: Southwest Region
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If you did a 914, you would first want to cut the outer longs off your car (and of course properly support the car before doing that). The heater tubes inside will get destroyed by the dipping process, not to mention the e-coating process.
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| BillC |
Dec 21 2015, 08:54 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 533 Joined: 24-April 15 From: Silver Spring, MD Member No.: 18,667 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(peteyd @ Dec 21 2015, 12:16 PM) Dipping cars is something we never recommend. I have heard too many stories of people painting their car and then 3-5 years later it starts to bubble. The problem is the acid, or whatever they use to dissolve the paint and crud, gets in between the layers of sheet metal where they were spot welded. Then leaches out slowly and causes bubbling. I also speak from experience. We had a bugeye sprite dipped and through out the restoration liquid was coming from the seems. but that's just my 2 cents. Hopefully your buddy got a good company that rinsed it thoroughly. Pete Doing a traditional dip on a car requires two extra steps that they never tell you about:
Otherwise, you'll have the exact problem you experienced -- chemical leaching out later and ruining the paint job. |
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| Mikey914 |
Dec 22 2015, 01:09 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,638 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None
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I'll get the full information Monday. My contact is out til Monday. I dropped him a call and he was playing with this and sent me some pics.
I would love to see a 914 done up. the doors and lids were $500ish and the body was something like $3500ish. So not an inexpensive process, but as close to new as possible. |
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| bulitt |
Dec 22 2015, 03:19 AM
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Achtzylinder Group: Members Posts: 4,188 Joined: 2-October 11 Member No.: 13,632 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(peteyd @ Dec 21 2015, 12:16 PM) Dipping cars is something we never recommend. I have heard too many stories of people painting their car and then 3-5 years later it starts to bubble. The problem is the acid, or whatever they use to dissolve the paint and crud, gets in between the layers of sheet metal where they were spot welded. Then leaches out slowly and causes bubbling. I also speak from experience. We had a bugeye sprite dipped and through out the restoration liquid was coming from the seems. but that's just my 2 cents. Hopefully your buddy got a good company that rinsed it thoroughly. Pete We won't have to dip when you start selling bodies in white Pete! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| smveril |
Dec 22 2015, 07:16 AM
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Mikey Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 6-December 04 From: Cincinnati, OH Member No.: 3,232 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I have used American Metal Cleaning as well for 914 parts. Three years later, no rust or paint bubbling.
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| Peashooter |
Dec 22 2015, 08:26 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 163 Joined: 17-December 11 From: SW Ohio Member No.: 13,903 Region Association: None |
AMC dipped my hoods and doors, the rest was media blasted. Been using them for years on motorcycle parts. They also do powder coating.
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| dflesburg |
Dec 22 2015, 08:32 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,719 Joined: 6-April 04 From: Warm and Cheerful Centerville Ohio Member No.: 1,896 Region Association: None |
Here it was back in 1993...
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| Brett W |
Dec 22 2015, 01:40 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None
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There is a place down in Jackson MS, that also does stripping and resotoration. They have a Pyrolytic Cleaning Oven, phosphoric Cathode Dip tank, and they have a deal with the Nissan factory to allow cars to be e-coated in the Nissan E-coat vat.
If you are just cleaning everything off the body, the oven is the way to go. If you are going to be fixing rust and e-coating the whole process is the way to go. You could even put the chassis back in the oven after dipping to burn off any residue that might later cause a problem. |
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| Al Meredith |
Dec 22 2015, 04:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 958 Joined: 4-November 04 From: Atlanta, ga Member No.: 3,061 |
I once dipped a Formula V frame and years later it separated at the welds between the roll cage and the engine mounting frame. Acid got into the welds through some pin holes
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