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> New intake system, Made by Mario at the dub shop
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post Feb 8 2016, 10:16 AM
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post Feb 8 2016, 12:21 PM
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Nice, clean installation but seems to be a solution in search of a problem. IMHO. Normally, I would not disagree with Mark, however don't throw away the cross bar linkage. It can be modified easily. There was a thread on how to do this some years ago but I can't find it. I did mine and there is absolutely NO play in the linkage. Here's mine.


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post Feb 8 2016, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Feb 8 2016, 01:21 PM) *

Nice, clean installation but seems to be a solution in search of a problem. IMHO. Normally, I would not disagree with Mark, however don't throw away the cross bar linkage. It can be modified easily. There was a thread on how to do this some years ago but I can't find it. I did mine and there is absolutely NO play in the linkage. Here's mine.


Hate to tell you this, but I don't like your linkage.
For one in this pic the angle of the connecting arm puts a large thrust (side) load on the carb, it will cause premature wear.
A crossbar linkage can be done, but I rarely see one I feel is acceptable. Except for the Gene Berg for a type 1, I've never seen a good crossbar set-up out of the box.

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post Feb 8 2016, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(McMark @ Feb 7 2016, 08:50 PM) *

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looks better that the cross bar for sure. I just can't bring myself to buy a $300+ Tangerine throttle linkage. looking for alternatives
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post Feb 8 2016, 04:54 PM
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What about the CSP linkage? It seems like McMark might have had a group buy. Very nice set up IMHO

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post Feb 8 2016, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Feb 8 2016, 03:41 PM) *

QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Feb 8 2016, 01:21 PM) *

Nice, clean installation but seems to be a solution in search of a problem. IMHO. Normally, I would not disagree with Mark, however don't throw away the cross bar linkage. It can be modified easily. There was a thread on how to do this some years ago but I can't find it. I did mine and there is absolutely NO play in the linkage. Here's mine.


Hate to tell you this, but I don't like your linkage.
For one in this pic the angle of the connecting arm puts a large thrust (side) load on the carb, it will cause premature wear.
A crossbar linkage can be done, but I rarely see one I feel is acceptable. Except for the Gene Berg for a type 1, I've never seen a good crossbar set-up out of the box.

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Yah,

I don't like your linkage either.....not that I have personally seen your linkage.

Also, why is it all red in there? Did you run out of black pain?

The big issue I had with any cross bar linkage is the engine expands when it gets hot.
I measured mine and it was not trivial.

That expansion is not accounted for in a cross bar linkage, th cross bar just gets loose.
I ended up with Foleys cable system and it really is a one shot deal, set it and forget it.
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post Feb 8 2016, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Feb 8 2016, 05:02 PM) *

QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Feb 8 2016, 03:41 PM) *

QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Feb 8 2016, 01:21 PM) *

Nice, clean installation but seems to be a solution in search of a problem. IMHO. Normally, I would not disagree with Mark, however don't throw away the cross bar linkage. It can be modified easily. There was a thread on how to do this some years ago but I can't find it. I did mine and there is absolutely NO play in the linkage. Here's mine.


Hate to tell you this, but I don't like your linkage.
For one in this pic the angle of the connecting arm puts a large thrust (side) load on the carb, it will cause premature wear.
A crossbar linkage can be done, but I rarely see one I feel is acceptable. Except for the Gene Berg for a type 1, I've never seen a good crossbar set-up out of the box.

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Yah,

I don't like your linkage either.....not that I have personally seen your linkage.

Also, why is it all red in there? Did you run out of black pain?

The big issue I had with any cross bar linkage is the engine expands when it gets hot.
I measured mine and it was not trivial.

That expansion is not accounted for in a cross bar linkage, th cross bar just gets loose.
I ended up with Foleys cable system and it really is a one shot deal, set it and forget it.



tell me of the Foleys cable system
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post Feb 8 2016, 07:57 PM
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My linkage has been like this for over 10 years. Never had a problem with carb wear. I had lots of red paint laying around. Engine expansion?? The cross bar is threaded on each end, the bolts (some use shoulder bolts) are screwed into the end of the cross bar and fit snugly in the heim joints but can slide slightly. Never had a problem with expansion. The linkage is adjusted so both carbs reach WOT at the same time and at the same rate. I can see where it can be easy to criticize this set up just from the way it looks. I have threatened to change it many times but if it works (and it does) why change it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Besides it was pretty cheap to do which in my case was the motivating factor. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)
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post Feb 8 2016, 08:11 PM
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Reminds me of: http://www.osintakes.com/

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This made me laugh. How did this not catch fire??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) It was brilliant!

Original thread: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...p;hl=OS+Intakes
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post Feb 8 2016, 08:29 PM
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Trust me, if you take a little time to set up a CB linkage, it's more than adequate for your 120hp push-rod H4.
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post Feb 8 2016, 10:57 PM
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post Feb 8 2016, 11:26 PM
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Trust me, if you take a little time to set up a CB linkage, it's more than adequate for your 120hp push-rod H4.

And then keep setting it every couple months. And then buy a new one in a couple years when it wears out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)
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post Feb 8 2016, 11:58 PM
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This is another interesting tread, you gotta give the Dub House credit for attempting to create a better mouse traps.
Ps, you should see my kill swith cable in front of the windshield. .. it looks like a 10 year old configured it. Ya, I have other toys that I pay top $ to have work performed on them, but then that's me.
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post Feb 9 2016, 01:34 AM
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Here's the thread I followed to improve my linkage. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...c=91831&hl=
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Kinda seems like an intake for forced induction.
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post Feb 9 2016, 07:24 AM
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Looks like one of my weekend projects from early last year.
My mate has a dyno and we were playing around with noise and trying to tame a shitty map signal.
Ended up going Tps for the ecu anyway so I took it off again.


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Ended up going Tps for the ecu anyway so I took it off again.

Going OT...what ecu are you using....I'm on SDS & could never get a good mps with the 2316 on itb's so have been on tps & it's fine. Uses closed loop for cruising, & seeks 14.1 afr nicely.
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post Feb 9 2016, 07:59 AM
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The shouldered bolts Elliot mentioned eliminate the spring loaded ends the CB units come with. Bolts like the original Wietmister? and the one Triad used to offer. You set the end play when the engine is hot and the bolts/jam nuts lock it in place. Very effective. I wish I had never gotten rid of the Triad linkage I used to have.
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Ended up going Tps for the ecu anyway so I took it off again.

Going OT...what ecu are you using....I'm on SDS & could never get a good mps with the 2316 on itb's so have been on tps & it's fine. Uses closed loop for cruising, & seeks 14.1 afr nicely.

That because of the ITB, not the ECU.
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How about:

Loose the ITBs, attach the intake directly to the manifolds, and source a single throttle body from a 3.2 (or similar).

Then, it's a mod with a purpose and there's no more linkage debate.

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