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Phoenix-MN |
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Its alive ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,841 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States ![]() |
From what I've read it appears to be, albeit for larger vehicles. Luckily for us small guys SEMA is a quite large organization (something like $30B IIRC) and is fighting hard.
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aircooledtechguy |
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The Aircooledtech Guy ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,966 Joined: 8-November 08 From: Anacortes, WA Member No.: 9,730 Region Association: Pacific Northwest ![]() |
They will have to pry my custom parts from my cold dead hands. . .
Rules can be revoked with the stroke of a pen. Laws are way harder to pass. I'm not trying to be political, but the EPA is completely out of control under the current administration. IBTL (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,825 Joined: 17-September 09 From: Longmont, CO Member No.: 10,819 Region Association: None ![]() |
This is the official bill:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-201...2015-15500.pdf If you take a few minutes and read the proposal, you'll see that it applies to "heavy duty" highway vehicles with a GVWR above 8500lbs. Page 40527 "As noted above, the exemption provisions of 40 CFR part 1068, subpart C, already apply for heavy-duty highway engines. EPA is proposing to add a clarification that the exemption from the tampering prohibition for competition purposes does not apply to heavy-duty highway vehicles. This aligns with the statutory provisions for the racing exemption." So it's a proposed ban on setting up heavy-duty highway vehicles (eg semis and HD trucks) for racing, while clarifying that other vehicles can indeed be modified for racing. "This proposed action would affect companies that manufacture, sell, or import into the United States new heavy-duty engines and new Class 2b through 8 trucks, including combination tractors, all types of buses, vocational vehicles including municipal, commercial, recreational vehicles, and commercial trailers as well as 3⁄4-ton and 1-ton pickup trucks and vans. The heavy-duty category incorporates all motor vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating of 8,500 lbs or greater, and the engines that power them, except for medium-duty passenger vehicles already covered by the greenhouse gas standards and corporate average fuel economy standards issued for light-duty model year 2017–2025 vehicles" |
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 22,237 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch ![]() |
I was going to say "Barrack doesn't make the rules" but I won't.
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Car Hoarder! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,407 Joined: 28-March 11 From: North Carolina Member No.: 12,871 Region Association: South East States ![]() |
No need to go down this road. We had a post a year or two ago from a young member saying that the EPA was acting in our best interests...it got political very quickly! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
Let's just hope that SEMA can get other groups organized to join them. |
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914 Freak! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None ![]() |
So the answer effectively is, no it's not real.
If you're going to post a speculative, "Well if they did..." or the like. Don't bother. Question asked and answered. Done. |
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914 Idiot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 15,148 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California ![]() ![]() |
It seems like there is a whole lot of contradictory wording in the proposal.
Here is Jalopnik's take on the matter. Sounds like the EPA needs to clarify WTF they are talking about. SEMA may be overreacting, but I'm glad they are trying to keep the EPA honest. --DD |
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Never Too Old ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 117 Joined: 5-January 15 From: Southern Virginia Member No.: 18,295 Region Association: None ![]() |
Here's the latest autoblog.com article on this mess (today), and SEMA's response to the EPA. If true, the EPA strikes again!
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/09/epa-ill...-sema-official/ |
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its interesting to me, given we are all trying to do better and not pollute.
I see these truck shows on TV, like Diesel brothers and a few others. They are taking decent running diesel trucks and making them blow a ton of soot and smoke, huge black clouds....and that is somehow cool??? |
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,262 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California ![]() |
its interesting to me, given we are all trying to do better and not pollute. I see these truck shows on TV, like Diesel brothers and a few others. They are taking decent running diesel trucks and making them blow a ton of soot and smoke, huge black clouds....and that is somehow cool??? The proposed rule affects 2006 and later manuf. Vehicles. 1976 was the last year our cars were built......which now will make them MORE valuable! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif) |
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7T Porsh ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,691 Joined: 27-March 06 From: Glendale Ca Member No.: 5,782 Region Association: Southern California ![]() ![]() |
"They" are not trying to reduce pollution. "They" need to get a handle on how much pollution is out there so they can buy and sell pollution credits to big industry.
"They" don't want you taking their big credit making vehicles off the road. |
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,608 Joined: 1-August 12 From: Salt Lake City Ut Member No.: 14,748 Region Association: Intermountain Region ![]() ![]() |
No more semi trucks at Pikes Peak or Bonneville? That's OUTRAGEOUS!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 568 Joined: 26-September 10 From: Santa Cruz California Member No.: 12,218 Region Association: Northern California ![]() |
“as well as 3⁄4-ton and 1-ton pickup trucks and vans”
You can thank all of the douche bags rolling coal for bringing the EPA down on the hobby… |
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California ![]() |
No need to go down this road. We had a post a year or two ago from a young member saying that the EPA was acting in our best interests...it got political very quickly! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'm not young. |
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,262 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California ![]() |
No more semi trucks at Pikes Peak or Bonneville? That's OUTRAGEOUS!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) The way I understood the document is that if it was originally manufactured for "road use" and then the emission controls were changed....this is a No No after 2006. If it was specifically manufactured for "closed course racing" then that might be ok. So MAYBE that might exempt certain modified classes driving to the course, racing...then driving home. Pretty broad language at this point....and not time to freak out yet IMHO. |
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Meat Popsicle ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,462 Joined: 13-December 09 From: Saratoga CA Member No.: 11,125 Region Association: Northern California ![]() |
I would gladly take the EPA over C.A.R.B. any-day.
"Tailpipe emissions don't matter, what it looks like matters" |
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So typical, real issues all around us, and our leaders worry about emissions from track cars. And just how many are out there and how much to they contribute to emissions? Bet you find that data anywhere inside the EPA...
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Car Hoarder! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,407 Joined: 28-March 11 From: North Carolina Member No.: 12,871 Region Association: South East States ![]() |
No need to go down this road. We had a post a year or two ago from a young member saying that the EPA was acting in our best interests...it got political very quickly! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'm not young. I wasn't referring to you. You are old enough to know better (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California ![]() |
No need to go down this road. We had a post a year or two ago from a young member saying that the EPA was acting in our best interests...it got political very quickly! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I'm not young. I wasn't referring to you. You are old enough to know better (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Actually what I am is old enough to know the before and after, and since I've seen both sides am happy that someone was able to clean things up. |
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