Go Big or Go Home: Clay's 914-6, MS3Pro Wiring in Progress Options

[Rob-O]

Looks like the tear down is coming along quick. How many head studs snapped? Looks like at least three on one side...

[0396]

Clay what kind of power can you get out of a built 4.0?

325-350?

Mark, after reading your post of 325 -350 hp.
I have a few questions. Being that your exposed to some high end builds. How did you arrive at these numbers? Has the shop built such an animal? If so, what were the injection and exhaust option.

If I recall, a stock 964 3.6 from the factory USA is only rated at something like 270hp.
Asking because I'm inquisitive.
Thanks

[SirAndy]

Mark, after reading your post of 325 -350 hp.
I have a few questions. Being that your exposed to some high end builds. How did you arrive at these numbers? Has the shop built such an animal? If so, what were the injection and exhaust option.

If I recall, a stock 964 3.6 from the factory USA is only rated at something like 270hp.
Asking because I'm inquisitive.

My 3.6L is just over 300HP without any modifications to the internals.
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[Mueller]

Clay what kind of power can you get out of a built 4.0?

325-350?

Mark, after reading your post of 325 -350 hp.
I have a few questions. Being that your exposed to some high end builds. How did you arrive at these numbers? Has the shop built such an animal? If so, what were the injection and exhaust option.

If I recall, a stock 964 3.6 from the factory USA is only rated at something like 270hp.
Asking because I'm inquisitive.
Thanks

Reading all the articles about the Singer 911, I seem to remember those number being mentioned quite a bit.

[mepstein]

Clay what kind of power can you get out of a built 4.0?

325-350?

Mark, after reading your post of 325 -350 hp.
I have a few questions. Being that your exposed to some high end builds. How did you arrive at these numbers? Has the shop built such an animal? If so, what were the injection and exhaust option.

If I recall, a stock 964 3.6 from the factory USA is only rated at something like 270hp.
Asking because I'm inquisitive.
Thanks

Im no expert but when you:
Tune the exhaust
Raise the compression
Hot cams
Ditch the cat
Tune the chip
Bigger p&c

325-350 should be a very realistic number.

[0396]

Clay what kind of power can you get out of a built 4.0?

325-350?

Mark, after reading your post of 325 -350 hp.
I have a few questions. Being that your exposed to some high end builds. How did you arrive at these numbers? Has the shop built such an animal? If so, what were the injection and exhaust option.

If I recall, a stock 964 3.6 from the factory USA is only rated at something like 270hp.
Asking because I'm inquisitive.
Thanks

Im no expert but when you:
Tune the exhaust
Raise the compression
Hot cams
Ditch the cat
Tune the chip
Bigger p&c

325-350 should be a very realistic number.

All, I agree with the above examples of what is needed to achieve those numbers. If I recall, the original poster left some of those critical notes his 4.0 build.
Thanks again for your response.
Enjoy your weekend

[ClayPerrine]

Im no expert but when you:
Tune the exhaust
Raise the compression
Hot cams
Ditch the cat
Tune the chip
Bigger p&c

325-350 should be a very realistic number.

Tune the exhaust - Check... I already have the headers .
Hot Cams - not too hot, just the equivalent to factory RS cams.
Ditch the cat - no place to put one on a 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Tune the chip - already planned....
Bigger p&c - that's covered...

And for future mods I am looking at a hotwire mass airflow sensor conversion.


And for really, really stupid horsepower in a 914, I could spend the 9 grand to put this on:

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Adds 100 HP


Not going to happen during this build. I am already getting ambitious enough with what I am doing.

But maybe someday..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

[mepstein]

Im no expert but when you:
Tune the exhaust
Raise the compression
Hot cams
Ditch the cat
Tune the chip
Bigger p&c

325-350 should be a very realistic number.

Tune the exhaust - Check... I already have the headers .
Hot Cams - not too hot, just the equivalent to factory RS cams.
Ditch the cat - no place to put one on a 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Tune the chip - already planned....
Bigger p&c - that's covered...

And for future mods I am looking at a hotwire mass airflow sensor conversion.


And for really, really stupid horsepower in a 914, I could spend the 9 grand to put this on:

Adds 100 HP


Not going to happen during this build. I am already getting ambitious enough with what I am doing.

But maybe someday..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

Fun but I can't imagine it would be easy to tune. At least not at home.

[Rob-O]

I got a peek at the rods and pistons yesterday. Pictures don't do them justice. It's a shame they're going to be inside the engine where you can't see them.

Assuming that the supercharger adds 100 to the already hoped for 300-325, I'm foretelling the project after that. Bigger flares and wider rubber!

[ClayPerrine]

Heads, case halfs and one cylinder went to the machine shop today.

About a month before they finish..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[0396]

Congrats with your progress. Quick question, since you're doing this big build, have you ever thought of using a 993RS intake and or a Rothsports RS intake? If you've come across one, I'm interested.
Thanks

[ClayPerrine]

Congrats with your progress. Quick question, since you're doing this big build, have you ever thought of using a 993RS intake and or a Rothsports RS intake? If you've come across one, I'm interested.
Thanks

I am going to use the 964 plastic intake. I am trying to keep the physical stuff on the engine easy.

[76-914]

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[ClayPerrine]

Update:

Went to the machine shop today. They still have to bore the cases for the cylinders. It is on the schedule for Wednesday. Then I can come pick up them up and start assembly.

In the interim, I have been in parts acquisition mode. Here are some of the items:



Used single mass flywheel and ring gear.





Billet 964 valve covers. They are about 25% of the cost of factory new valve covers, and they are supposed to seal better.



Block off for the top of the fan shroud.



Based on recommendations from the cam grinder, I decided to use a 993SS cam grind. I sent them off to have them reground, and I got a quote for a new chip for the ECU. The cam and chip updates change the estimated HP to 375. I also have the G86-21 Boxster 6-speed on the way.


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[ClayPerrine]

I got the engine cases back, and started assembling the engine this morning.



I was putting the case halves together, and I got bit hard by the engine case. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) To the tune of 7 stitches to the end of the finger I drive with... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/finger.gif) Yes, that finger. I kept making jokes with the doctor and the nurse about " this is not an editorial comment, I am just getting the other fingers out of the way" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

This sucks. I am finally able to make progress on my engine and now I have to stop. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) My cams should be done on Tuesday, and I was hoping to have the engine assembled and ready for the cams when they arrive.

Maybe I will get out there tomorrow and keep going.

[Mueller]

Nice motor there....

and OUCH, small world, I too cut myself yesterday splitting the case on my 1.8 /4 I don't think the factory believes in de-burring anything!

No stitches for me, still hurts and it could have worse for sure!

[Rob-O]

Sorry to hear about the finger. But the assembly so far looks great.

[theleschyouknow]

looking good clay!
sorry bout your finger

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cjl

[veekry9]

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Seven stitches. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
As a reminder to timesert the studs on a set of cases that will squirm around with the added power.
The cost is so small and adds so much clamping force.
Use the new ceramic filled epoxy,ensure there are no risers on the mating surfaces.
Do check the mating case faces for flatness on a granite block or cmm,trial assemble and check the mains for straightness and sizing.
The lay-shaft's mid bearing journal looks ok,so,I assume the inserts too are in spec.
The pump has no plugs in the exposed ports,so I would inspect the pump for debris as a precaution.A single grain of sand.
These parts you have gathered have all the right stuff,and the idea of force feeding more air into them is thrilling.
Big Six gun,most suitable for the desert highway.
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[ClayPerrine]

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Seven stitches. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
As a reminder to timesert the studs on a set of cases that will squirm around with the added power.
The cost is so small and adds so much clamping force.
Use the new ceramic filled epoxy,ensure there are no risers on the mating surfaces.
Do check the mating case faces for flatness on a granite block or cmm,trial assemble and check the mains for straightness and sizing.
The lay-shaft's mid bearing journal looks ok,so,I assume the inserts too are in spec.
The pump has no plugs in the exposed ports,so I would inspect the pump for debris as a precaution.A single grain of sand.
These parts you have gathered have all the right stuff,and the idea of force feeding more air into them is thrilling.
Big Six gun,most suitable for the desert highway.
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Timecerts were done at the machine shop
Case was fully checked when bored for the new jugs.
Lay shaft was fine. New inserts.
Brand new oil pump.


Thanks everyone for the sympathy on the stitches. As Betty says "It's not a good job until you bleed on it and cuss at it." Well, this is definitely a good job. I was inventing new cuss words when I cut my finger.

And typing is a bitch when you touch type and one finger is inoperative. I actually have to think about where the keys are located.