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Wire your 220V welder, How to guide. Bondo, look! |
Series9 |
Mar 31 2005, 01:24 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
I had to move the outlet for my welder today. Since it's been a topic of recent discussion, I decided to document the event.
I went to Home Depot and purchased the correct length of 8-3 stranded cable and then ran it through the attic after drilling holes to drop it down to the main panel and the wall where the outlet would go: Attached image(s) |
Series9 |
Mar 31 2005, 01:24 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
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Series9 |
Mar 31 2005, 01:26 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
I wired the plug like this:
To quell the 4-wire argument, I grounded the backing plate on the plug with the fourth (bare copper) wire. Attached image(s) |
Series9 |
Mar 31 2005, 01:28 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Turn off main power to the panel, but keep in mind the cables which supply the main breaker are still hot. Stay away from those.
Run the White (neutral) and bare copper (ground) to the common block on either side of the panel. Just find a place where they fit: Attached image(s) |
Series9 |
Mar 31 2005, 01:30 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Wire the black (hot) and red (hot) to a 220V breaker of the correct amp rating:
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Series9 |
Mar 31 2005, 01:31 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Close up the outlet and mount it on the wall:
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Series9 |
Mar 31 2005, 01:32 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Install the breaker in the box and restore power. Check the welder for proper function:
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Series9 |
Mar 31 2005, 01:33 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Close up the box and secure the cables to the walls:
(Travis Neff: notice the creative use of training wheels) Attached image(s) |
Series9 |
Mar 31 2005, 01:35 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Now the welder is in a much more convenient location:
Before anyone gives me trouble for not using conduit into the attic, I look at this installation as an extension cord running through the attic. If I move, I'll take it with me. Attached image(s) |
MarkV |
Mar 31 2005, 01:43 PM
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Fear the Jack Stands Group: Members Posts: 1,493 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Sunny Tucson, AZ Member No.: 154 Region Association: None |
If you go to sell your house that will never pass inspection. In fact if you ever have a house fire and they determine that your welder wire was the cause, they would deny a claim. Any wire under 8 feet from the floor has to be in conduit & you can't run wire under the inspection cover of the electrical panel.
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Series9 |
Mar 31 2005, 01:53 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Did I not mention that I would take my extension cord with me if I move? The purpose of this thread was not 'how to run conduit'. That's up to you. |
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fiid |
Mar 31 2005, 01:58 PM
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Turbo Megasquirted Subaru Member Group: Members Posts: 2,827 Joined: 7-April 03 From: San Francisco, CA Member No.: 530 Region Association: Northern California |
Got to love the elecrical code. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/bs.gif) Keeps a lot of people in work though - and keeps people from doing work on their own places, and keeps the local authorities flush with permit money. Where are the republicans when you need them? |
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bondo |
Mar 31 2005, 03:20 PM
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Practicing my perpendicular parking Group: Members Posts: 4,277 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Los Osos, CA Member No.: 587 Region Association: Central California |
Thanks for the pics! I made the extension cable already, haven't used it yet (probably will today). Funny thing happened while I was at OSH buying the connectors... The guy that helped me find the dryer plug area lectured me on how it was illegal to make a 220v extension cord. He said that was why they didn't have any female plug ends. He also said I couldn't make an adapter that put a 50 amp socket (welder) on a 30 amp plug (dryer). Then he wandered off and I bought them anyways. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) I had to get a surface mount socket instead of a female cable end, but it will work. My biggest load is only 20 amps, so I'm not worried.
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Series9 |
Mar 31 2005, 03:51 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
I didn't like the cable coming out from under the panel either, so I went to the store and got a fitting.
Look again, I changed the picture where the cable exits the box. I don't care about code, I care about safety. As for conduit, if I put a 220V outlet outside the main box with the wires in the wall, and then plugged in my 'extension cord' and ran it through the ceiling just like I did, it would be code. Like I said on my 'insurance' thread, I'm looking for a little common sense here. This is perfectly safe. |
MarkV |
Mar 31 2005, 04:48 PM
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Fear the Jack Stands Group: Members Posts: 1,493 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Sunny Tucson, AZ Member No.: 154 Region Association: None |
Dude, You are like the poster child for why there are building codes. Now you have live wires going through the inspection / safety cover. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
Show this picture to your insurance comapny: |
MarkV |
Mar 31 2005, 04:50 PM
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Fear the Jack Stands Group: Members Posts: 1,493 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Sunny Tucson, AZ Member No.: 154 Region Association: None |
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Aaron Cox |
Mar 31 2005, 04:54 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif) ouch! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) |
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Series9 |
Mar 31 2005, 05:03 PM
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Lesbians taste like chicken. Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States |
Are you just looking for something to bitch about? If you can explain how there is a single difference, as far as safety is concerned, between this and punching a pop-out of the top of the box and running the cable up the wall cavity where someone can put a screw through the drywall and into the cable, I'll go rewire the whole fucking thing. I said before, clearly, that I will be removing this cable when I move. I am completely unconcerned with an inspection. This is absolutely, 100% as safe as running the cable through the top of the main box and up the wall cavity. I swear to god, some of you guys could bitch about a day off work. |
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scotty914 |
Mar 31 2005, 05:07 PM
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suby torque rules Group: Members Posts: 1,525 Joined: 20-July 03 From: maryland, the land of 25 year Member No.: 924 |
joe, when i get there i will run that right for ya, its what i do for a living. second get ride of that junk ge panel, square d all the way.
and bondo you can make a 30 amp 220 volt cord and the best way to do it is to use twist lock plugs, the ones you would want are the L14-30. its a 4 wire 220 volt plug, you can get cord end and recpts. for it. |
Elliot_Cannon |
Mar 31 2005, 05:16 PM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,922 Joined: 26-March 03 From: Orange County Ca Member No.: 480 Region Association: None |
Insurance companies rule the world. (Right Howard)? It doesn't matter if you or I or anyone thinks your installation is safe, if it's not to code your insurance will not cover you. And don't try to inject common sense into the equation either. You know, kinda like dealing with the FAA!!!
cheers, Elliot |
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