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Reground Cams???, yea/nea??? |
Mueller |
Jun 19 2003, 07:30 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
Is this even worth it?
I'd still have to buy new lifters correct? |
StratPlayer |
Jun 20 2003, 10:39 AM
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StratPlayer Group: Members Posts: 3,278 Joined: 27-December 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 27 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
No answers??? I'm also interested in the answer to
Muellers question. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
MJHanna |
Jun 20 2003, 11:17 AM
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Does this 911 make my butt look big? Group: Members Posts: 805 Joined: 23-January 03 From: Lowry Crossing, Texas Member No.: 185 |
On a 914 4-cylinder engine I don’t think its worth the cost. New ones are too cheap, and yes, you would need new lifters if your going to do it “right”. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
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Brad Roberts |
Jun 20 2003, 12:02 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Who has "NEW" cams ??
I thought 99% of them where regrinds that are welded up. B |
Qarl |
Jun 20 2003, 12:04 PM
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Shriveled member Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,233 Joined: 8-February 03 From: Florida Member No.: 271 Region Association: None |
Elgin Cams offers to regrind cams or make new cams from blanks. I'm told that the blanks are new castings, but tend to be more brittle than the older cams.
No problems with welded/reground cams as far as I've been told. Regards, |
Bleyseng |
Jun 20 2003, 12:10 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Hmm, thats what I thought. You regrind the cam to spec and new lifters. Althought the early 1.7 bus cams are soft so you don't want to reuse those.
Geoff |
Brad Roberts |
Jun 20 2003, 12:13 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Karl,
I'm almost 100% sure that Elgin is referring to 911 cams (which Crane makes new ones for Elgin and Woods). Woods worked hand in hand with Crane to develop the GE series cams for Woods. This is why you see CRANE advertising in Pano selliing 911 cams now. Could be that Elgin is getting new fillets for the type4's. B |
seanery |
Jun 20 2003, 12:14 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,852 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
don't you mean, don't ever use them on your 2.0 with Euro Pistons?
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Qarl |
Jun 20 2003, 12:16 PM
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Shriveled member Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,233 Joined: 8-February 03 From: Florida Member No.: 271 Region Association: None |
B:
My bad... you're right. I'm thinking -6 cams at Elgin, 4s.. But don't places like Webcam offer new cams? |
Brad Roberts |
Jun 20 2003, 12:18 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Umm yeah.. never use a stock VW bus 1.7 carb cam on a carbed Euro piston'd 2.0 with 914 2.0 heads. You end up with a gutless pig that idles nice..LOL
B |
Jeff Krieger |
Jun 20 2003, 12:22 PM
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This is what it says on Pelican's site:
Original camshafts can be reground to work in rebuilt motors, however, they will never perform as well as a new one. This is because there is no way to replace the worn material on the cam lobes. While performing a full rebuild, you should replace both the camshaft and the lifters. If you regrind your old camshaft, make sure that you regrind the lifters as well. Original camshafts are sold with different size cam gears. These gears are matched to the characteristics of the engine case. Check the backlash on the crank/cam gear combination, or simply replace the gear with one of the same size of the one that came out of the case. The size of the cam gear is stamped on the gear. If there is no stamp there, the gear is most likely a -0- gear. http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/shopca...e_pg1.htm#item8 . |
URY914 |
Jun 20 2003, 12:23 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,486 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
When I lived in Ft. Lauderdale, would take my welding needs to this local welder/fabrictor. He was a wiz at tig welding and was FAA certified. He had a contract with Crane Cams to weld hardfacing on old cams. He had a guy working all day long tig welding cams. He told me Crane had dozens of shops around the southeast doing this. So Crane Cams are not made from new billets.
Paul |
cgnj |
Jun 20 2003, 12:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 623 Joined: 6-March 03 From: Medford, NJ Member No.: 403 Region Association: None |
So, I just checked the site. They don't state if the cams are ground on new blanks. I'm curious now, I sent an email and asked. Maybe I shouldn't have tossed those 2 cams.
Carlos |
cgnj |
Jun 20 2003, 12:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 623 Joined: 6-March 03 From: Medford, NJ Member No.: 403 Region Association: None |
I'm stupid. copied from the policies page
New Cam: All part numbers listed under "New Cam" refer to the specifications precision ground onto a new cast camshaft. All grinds are carefully checked, and double heat treated for long life. No exchange is necessary, as this is an outright purchase. These are the finest camshafts available. Nevermind Carlos |
StratPlayer |
Jun 20 2003, 02:11 PM
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StratPlayer Group: Members Posts: 3,278 Joined: 27-December 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 27 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Ahhh thanks all for the input,,, I'm about ready to put in new cam an lifters, just had the motor rebuilt not to long ago and the rebuilder put the Hyd. stuff in there,, cam and lifter, push rods. I'm not happy with this set up so its going in to have new cam and lifters, etc,,, back to the solid lifters, 2.0 D-Jet. That's why I was so interested in this post.
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Brad Roberts |
Jun 20 2003, 02:48 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Crane makes new 911 camshafts. They weld and regrind all of the domestic stuff except the new style roller cams (which they make new)
The Pelican "quote" is a joke. Wayne put stuff in the website 6 years ago.. that he is now just truely learning about. Hard welding like URY describes has been going on since the 40's+50's. B |
Mueller |
Jun 20 2003, 03:46 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
I had planned on talking to Rich at HPH once I got back, I know he has used Elgin in the past, I just don't know if it'll make much a difference to go with a "custom" grind for my turbo/4 or one that Web Cam sells for turbos.
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