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Jun 11 2016, 03:59 PM
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Did Porsche eff up?
No they didn't eff up, they did the best they could with the new technology they had. It seems as though the technology was purchased by the folks at Bosch from the aviation component of Bendix. That said most Injection systems were originally good at idle and full open throttle, so primarily racing applications. So in there infancy not well suited for automobile applications. Been reading on different types of fuel delivery systems and their pro and cons. There are very few con's to todays EFI systems, there were however performance and reliability issues with the original designs. Even today Claims of increased HP, Fuel economy, drivability, reliability and so on....some still dispute how much these differences really mean. It appears the main thing EFI does extremely well over Carbs is in the pollution factor, or in this case the ability to pollute less. Carbs are a some what open system allowing hydro carbons to escape/vent in to our atmosphere even when the engine is at rest, where as the EFI is essentially a closed system releasing no vapors or gases unless the engine is running and those gases are then coming out of the tailpipe from the exhaust cycle. Many of the Guru's (about 5 to 1) prefer carburation. The above Statement isn't correct, although what confuses this OP is the sheer amount of photographic evidence on this site and others including evilbay and CL showing most engine compartments with Carbs installed. Many here have spent thousands on their cars, and what do you see when the lid is lifted? a Carburated engine..... So while my intentions will be keeping my cars in their stock or near stock form, with EFI, I cannot understand why so many Carburated cars. (Because its easy isn't an answer, because its simple isn't an answer and because its cheap isn't an answer) With this being the case, Did Porsche mess up when they went the EFI route with the 914? I do not believe they messed up, I believe they did the best they could with the available technology they had. Granted they did sort of use the end user as of a kind of a guinea pig/test bed, but what manufacturer doesn't in some way. WHY DID THEY DO IT????? I think that just as much as seeing the Ljet and Djet as a performance and platform to develop future EFI systems off of, Porsche and others also incorporated EFI into there products to show they were progressive company's in design and practicality. EFI, Unibody, Targa, Mid engine, four wheel disc, and many more attributes can be cited as Porsches View into the future. I would like to keep my car stock with the factory EFI, but increasingly getting more difficult to do with so little information backing it up. Above statement is also incorrect. In my case I think I am fortunate because I believe I have most the parts needed to reinstall the factory EFI's on all three of my cars. There is a plethora of info on both sides, but for now.... just for originalities sake, EFI will be the way I go. To those that added constructive comments and or facts to this thread... it is much appreciated...to those that took this thread as some sort of attack on their beliefs, or way to "clutter" the site, I can appreciate how you feel, but I just see those arguments as shutting down the free flow of ideas and the give and take of facts that get each of us to arrive at our own understanding of the information. ![]() |
OU812 Why EFI? Jun 11 2016, 03:59 PM
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ConeDodger
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OU812
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Mueller
[quote name='ConeDodger' post='2358944' date='Jun... Jun 13 2016, 07:54 PM
OU812
[quote name='ConeDodger' post='2358944' date='Ju... Jun 13 2016, 07:56 PM
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injunmort hey corndogger, blow me , yeah it is Jun 13 2016, 06:54 PM
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:popcorn: :stir: :stromberg: :stooges: :... Jun 13 2016, 07:28 PM
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you are the op , obviously you are a retard, cor... Jun 13 2016, 07:52 PM
rhodyguy :blink: Jun 13 2016, 07:44 PM
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Darren C
Here is my dyno chart from when my 914 2.0L was b... Jun 14 2016, 12:25 PM
914_teener So......
Flatter torque curve with FI with apro... Jun 14 2016, 11:56 AM
stugray And here is a question that I pose whenever this c... Jun 14 2016, 12:53 PM
damesandhotrods
And here is a question that I pose whenever this ... Jun 14 2016, 01:49 PM
Jake Raby The EFI system being more tunable is both a pro an... Jun 14 2016, 01:08 PM
Darren C
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stugray
I have cars with stock EFI, CIS, PEFI and carbs.... Jun 14 2016, 01:32 PM
Darren C
Ask 5 people and you will probably get 3 differe... Jun 14 2016, 01:41 PM
SirAndy But at a guess I'd say that most folk on here ... Jun 14 2016, 02:00 PM
Root_Werks I like carbs and they have a place for the appropi... Jun 14 2016, 01:24 PM
veekry9
BMW-X6M
What kind of carb yuh runnin?
[url=http... Jun 14 2016, 02:06 PM
Darren C Sir Andy, et all,
Technology is fine, but everyth... Jun 14 2016, 02:10 PM
Tom_T
Did Porsche eff up?
Been reading on different ty... Jun 14 2016, 02:18 PM
OU812 If indeed a 914 is NARP I guess it could be said P... Jun 14 2016, 03:40 PM
KELTY360
If indeed a 914 is NARP I guess it could be said ... Jun 14 2016, 03:52 PM

OU812
If indeed a 914 is NARP I guess it could be said... Jun 14 2016, 04:06 PM
DBCooper Many of the Guru's (about 5 to 1) prefer carbu... Jun 14 2016, 03:54 PM
OU812
Many of the Guru's (about 5 to 1) prefer carb... Jun 14 2016, 04:09 PM
DBCooper
[quote name='DBCooper' post='2359328' date='Jun 1... Jun 14 2016, 07:23 PM
OU812
[quote name='DBCooper' post='2359328' date='Jun ... Jun 15 2016, 02:14 AM
jd74914 Since I've been sitting in front of my compute... Jun 14 2016, 04:53 PM
914_teener Those corrected curves display what Brad Anders ha... Jun 14 2016, 05:29 PM
914_teener ...so given that why would you put carbs on a stoc... Jun 14 2016, 05:30 PM
OU812
...so given that why would you put carbs on a sto... Jun 14 2016, 06:00 PM
MarkV
...so given that why would you put carbs on a sto... Jun 14 2016, 06:06 PM
OU812
...so given that why would you put carbs on a st... Jun 14 2016, 07:09 PM
SirAndy
...so given that why would you put carbs on a sto... Jun 14 2016, 08:03 PM
Bleyseng
...so given that why would you put carbs on a st... Jun 14 2016, 08:35 PM

914_teener
[quote name='MarkV' post='2359373' date='Jun 14 2... Jun 14 2016, 08:37 PM
Mueller
...so given that why would you put carbs on a st... Jun 15 2016, 07:44 AM
veekry9
Carburetor:Fuel metering device.
Fuel injection:... Jun 14 2016, 07:35 PM
Jake Raby Hell, I still have some cars with points, and cond... Jun 14 2016, 09:41 PM
MarkV
[quote name='MarkV' post='2359373' date='Jun 14 2... Jun 14 2016, 10:15 PM
Mike Bellis I did not read through all 9 pages...
EFI/FI was ... Jun 14 2016, 11:08 PM
Darren C Jd74914, Thanks for taking time out to overlay bot... Jun 15 2016, 01:44 AM
jd74914
Your overlay graph is interesting as the tail off... Jun 15 2016, 11:41 AM
Darren C
If you compare the normalized curves, I'd gue... Jun 15 2016, 04:31 PM
Darren C Jeez, did you stay up all night to write that poem... Jun 15 2016, 02:47 AM
OU812
Jeez, did you stay up all night to write that poe... Jun 15 2016, 03:58 AM
stugray I would like to see two exactly stock engines on t... Jun 15 2016, 07:22 AM
Bleyseng
I would like to see two exactly stock engines on ... Jun 15 2016, 08:04 AM
914_teener
I would like to see two exactly stock engines on... Jun 15 2016, 10:33 AM
sb914 :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: Jun 15 2016, 07:59 AM
DBCooper As far as tit for tat ........I'm good!
No... Jun 15 2016, 09:30 AM
OU812
As far as tit for tat ........I'm good!
N... Jun 15 2016, 10:50 AM
Mark Henry My new 3.0 performance /6 has weber's, got the... Jun 15 2016, 10:58 AM
Racer
Did Porsche eff up?
Been reading on different ty... Jun 15 2016, 02:14 PM
OU812
Did Porsche eff up?
Been reading on different t... Jun 15 2016, 02:29 PM
gereed75 Wait, There were some really nice 20 year old desi... Jun 15 2016, 02:26 PM
ClayPerrine :deadhorse: Jun 15 2016, 02:28 PM
brant You don't want to match a stock djet afr trace... Jun 15 2016, 04:57 PM
Darren C
You don't want to match a stock djet afr trac... Jun 16 2016, 12:47 AM
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Chris H.
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veekry9 And on the tenth page,they lost their minds.
:P
... Jun 16 2016, 07:04 AM
rhodyguy Maybe Chris. Depends on your wheels and the chassi... Jun 16 2016, 07:57 AM
DBCooper Idiots!! [grumble, grumble] Use the gotd... Jun 16 2016, 08:16 AM
mbseto Since we are digressing...
Always thought the six-... Jun 16 2016, 08:36 AM
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veekry9
The main crankshaft with one(of four) rod and p... Jun 16 2016, 09:04 AM
Darren C Very interesting Veekry9,
While we're going o... Jun 16 2016, 12:39 PM
ClayPerrine RE: Why EFI? Jun 16 2016, 01:24 PM
veekry9 Yeah,the Moon had not yet been traveled to,and tur... Jun 16 2016, 02:54 PM![]() ![]() |
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