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real power goal..., for a 2.1L with fi.

mattillac	Apr 6 2005, 06:32 PM Post #1
robots! Group: Members Posts: 536 Joined: 27-October 04 From: vallejo,ca Member No.: 3,020	all this talk about megasquirt this and 2270 that, i'm getting really sick of my stock 2.0. i've decided to set a realistic goal for myself and strive to reach it. i plan on doing a pretty much stock rebuild with my 2.0 with the following exceptions. 96mm p&c's more aggressive cam msefi some mild porting that's about it really. nothing fantastic. just rebuilt heads and engine with some minor changes. just wanted to get some opinions on what kind of power this setup might make. i'm keeping my heat exchangers unless i find some cheap ss ones. now i have to start slowly buying all the parts since i can't afford them all at once. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)

Bleyseng	Apr 6 2005, 06:38 PM Post #2
Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest	Talk to Jake about a better cam with split duration as that will help alot on the exhaust side. That is where all the hp is as the 2.0l head intake flows just fine. Ditch the stock HE's as soon as you can! You should be able to get in the 115-120hp range running a 2056cc motor set up right. Geoff

ArtechnikA	Apr 6 2005, 06:52 PM Post #3
rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None	don't forget that at "some" point, more power needs more cooling, especially if you do track events. serious flogging at a DE can overheat a stock 2,0 - increast the power 50% and it is a recipe for disaster without additional oil cooling. in street and AX service, you'd probably be fine tho...

nebreitling	Apr 6 2005, 08:12 PM Post #4
Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478	i agree that you could do 110+ hp with good compression and a header. up to 125 is possible, i would think. your HE's are gonna chock things off, though...

greg.treadway	Apr 6 2005, 08:17 PM Post #5
914 Nut Group: Members Posts: 282 Joined: 16-December 04 From: Marietta, GA Member No.: 3,295	Talk to McLean at AutoAtlanta he has some good suggestions at getting that horsepower with some alternatives to the MS FI.

mattillac

Apr 6 2005, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE (greg.treadway @ Apr 6 2005, 06:17 PM)

Talk to McLean at AutoAtlanta he has some good suggestions at getting that horsepower with some alternatives to the MS FI.

are they expensive alternatives? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) i know the stock d-jet could maybe handle about 115hp with some tweaking, but i don't know if i have the skill to mess with it.

mattillac	Apr 6 2005, 09:21 PM Post #7
robots! Group: Members Posts: 536 Joined: 27-October 04 From: vallejo,ca Member No.: 3,020	if i could squeeze 120HP out of my 2.0(2.1 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) ) i would scream (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) ! i'm sure the 20ish HP gain would be excellent! i hate to hijack my own thread, but... for those of you running a 2.1 with carbs/cam/fi/whatever, how much more fun is it to drive your car? or, how much more competitive do you feel with the extra HP?

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Apr 6 2005, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE (mattillac @ Apr 6 2005, 08:21 PM)

if i could squeeze 120HP out of my 2.0(2.1 (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) ) i would scream (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif) ! i'm sure the 20ish HP gain would be excellent!

i hate to hijack my own thread, but...

for those of you running a 2.1 with carbs/cam/fi/whatever,
how much more fun is it to drive your car? or, how much more competitive do you feel with the extra HP?

a bone stock 2.0 that is "fresh" and tuned up properly will be enjoyable to drive...

I thought my 1.8 was boring, then I found out it was tuned up incorrectly and running like crap, I thought it was normal (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) after a proper tune up the car came alive and was enjoyable again.....

you will be happy with a 2.1 as long as you don't expect it to be twice as fast as before and your realistic with the outcome....

nebreitling	Apr 6 2005, 09:49 PM Post #9
Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478	ask me in a week. i'm hoping for 125 hp out of my 2056 with header, cam, carbs, hi-comp

mattillac	Apr 6 2005, 09:49 PM Post #10
robots! Group: Members Posts: 536 Joined: 27-October 04 From: vallejo,ca Member No.: 3,020	i'm not expecting a ferrari when i'm done. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) i just want to gain some extra ponies along with my rebuild. my ultimate goal would be a subaru setup (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) but i need a garage and alot of extra skrilla before that's gonna happen. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)

SLKWrx	Apr 7 2005, 09:32 AM Post #11
Member Group: Members Posts: 317 Joined: 28-September 04 From: Woolwich, NJ Member No.: 2,845 Region Association: North East States	I'm planning the exact same thing.. though here's something to wrap your mind around. If you're going to change the cam, you have to split the block, if you're going to split the block anyways, why not just upgrade to a 2270 and be done with it? Its a little extra money, but a whole lot more hp. Once I learned that you have to split the block for the cam, my whole plan fell apart.. I'm trying to plan out my next move. -- Steve

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Apr 7 2005, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE (SLKWrx @ Apr 7 2005, 10:32 AM)

I'm planning the exact same thing.. though here's something to wrap your mind around.

If you're going to change the cam, you have to split the block, if you're going to split the block anyways, why not just upgrade to a 2270 and be done with it? Its a little extra money, but a whole lot more hp.

Once I learned that you have to split the block for the cam, my whole plan fell apart.. I'm trying to plan out my next move.

-- Steve

isn't it a lot more clearancing too? you have to get the deck height right too... I think there's a lot more planning in a 2270...to do it right...

or am I just over-thinking it again (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

personally, if I was going to do a 2270, I'd get one of Jakes Kits, take *most* of the guess work out

mattillac

Apr 7 2005, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Apr 7 2005, 07:37 AM)

QUOTE (SLKWrx @ Apr 7 2005, 10:32 AM)

I'm planning the exact same thing.. though here's something to wrap your mind around.

If you're going to change the cam, you have to split the block, if you're going to split the block anyways, why not just upgrade to a 2270 and be done with it? Its a little extra money, but a whole lot more hp.

Once I learned that you have to split the block for the cam, my whole plan fell apart.. I'm trying to plan out my next move.

-- Steve

isn't it a lot more clearancing too? you have to get the deck height right too... I think there's a lot more planning in a 2270...to do it right...

or am I just over-thinking it again (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

personally, if I was going to do a 2270, I'd get one of Jakes Kits, take *most* of the guess work out

tat2d is right. i'd have to clearance the rods and block and would probably want a DTM and improved oiling system. some heavy breathing heads would go with that too. that's all more money and machine work than i want to deal with. this will be my first time rebuilding this engine, so i want to keep it as straight forward as possible.

tat2dphreak	Apr 7 2005, 10:45 AM Post #14
stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region	I don't think DTM is required for the 2270(unless you are putting it in a beetle) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) all of the reasons you mentioned is why I would go with a Jake Kit... even on a 2056 it would be advantageous for a kit, and you'd get more out of your engine(HP, efficientcy, life)... but not AS needed... when I do a rebuild(in the future, I have a 1.8 to toy with) I'm going to do my best to use one of Jake's Kits, and his video (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) I'm not big on re-inventing the wheel... these engines are more complex than a SBC or Ford, and much less forgiving... in a lot of ways...

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Apr 7 2005, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE (SLKWrx @ Apr 7 2005, 07:32 AM)

if you're going to split the block anyways, why not just upgrade to a 2270 and be done with it? Its a little extra money, but a whole lot more hp.

Its lots of extra money. Remember, you need a new crank, new rods, headwork to utilize the power, and bigger carbs. $$$

Jake Raby	Apr 7 2005, 11:33 AM Post #16
Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States	I have a combo that is proven to 120 with stock injection... I sell that cam and etc to create it. With out this combo I was never able to make more than 110 TRUE Dyno HP.... BTW- The 2270 kit removes ALL guesswork, not most.. With the video that I'm doing soon it will be easier than a stock engine... I'll assemble the kit exacting yours right in front of you step by step.

ppickerell	Apr 7 2005, 11:41 AM Post #17
914 addicted Group: Members Posts: 1,679 Joined: 14-October 03 From: Pleasanton, CA. Member No.: 1,246	Mattilac, My car closely matches what you are describing for specs. HPH will have the car done in a week or two. I will post when it is finished and you are welcome to come to PLeasanton and drive it to see if the HP gain is adequate for you. I have been driving a new C4S for about two weeks and I am worried that the car will underwhelm me in the acceleration department ! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)

Bleyseng	Apr 7 2005, 01:03 PM Post #18
Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest	Pat, change out the 3rd gear to a flipped 5th then if you want more scream! The hot 2056 is way fun but starts to dog in 3rd so change the ratio so its more of a close ratio gear box. Then first thru third blasts are way quicker. Geoff (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

ppickerell	Apr 7 2005, 01:09 PM Post #19
914 addicted Group: Members Posts: 1,679 Joined: 14-October 03 From: Pleasanton, CA. Member No.: 1,246	Geoff, I will ask HPH whether they did this mod during the tranny rebuild. Thanks for the tip.

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Apr 7 2005, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Apr 7 2005, 12:03 PM)

Pat, change out the 3rd gear to a flipped 5th then if you want more scream! The hot 2056 is way fun but starts to dog in 3rd so change the ratio so its more of a close ratio gear box. Then first thru third blasts are way quicker.
Geoff (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/drooley.gif) so... ultimately your 5th gear got shorter too?

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