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> ERP bump steer kit...., anyone have a pic?
Aaron Cox
post Apr 6 2005, 09:37 PM
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it basically extends the length of the threaded portion on the tie rod end?

femal thread that screws into the tie rod end, and then a threaded portion for the struts pitmann arm?


seems way too simple....for 200 bucks..
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post Apr 6 2005, 09:40 PM
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post Apr 6 2005, 09:47 PM
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Closer to 300 from Smart Racing. At 200 I might think bout buying.
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post Apr 6 2005, 09:49 PM
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ok.. so it replaces the ball joint end with a heim style end.... and then a double female threaded spacer....

hello mr lathe....
heim joints....lathe work....drilling to make a whole for cotterpins.... and some tapping of threads....

300 bucks? bet i could get out for less than 100...
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post Apr 6 2005, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Apr 6 2005, 08:49 PM)
ok.. so it replaces the ball joint end with a heim style end.... and then a double female threaded spacer....

hello mr lathe....
heim joints....lathe work....drilling to make a whole for cotterpins.... and some tapping of threads....

300 bucks? bet i could get out for less than 100...

there are some parts that your life (and others) depend on and should not be attempted at unless you understand what and how all the parts are made......

yea $300 is steep, I too thought $200 was the going rate....
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post Apr 6 2005, 10:03 PM
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It ain't quite that simple, but it ain't quite 300 bucks complicated either.
It race stuff + Porsche stuff....bring money. I'll bend my steering arms instead.

There was a thread on the bird board bout these things breaking.....lotta ...attempts to hush it up.....or so it seemed to me.
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post Apr 6 2005, 10:07 PM
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Why not do it right and raise/lower (I cant remember...) the spindals?

Thats what was done to my system.. I really like it...
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post Apr 6 2005, 10:11 PM
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i do understand the 'it holds my life in its hand' concern....

raising spindles is too much work (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif)
all it is is turned metal and a heim joint.... not hard. if you use a cotter pin... you wont die....

the heim idea is cool... no play whatsoever...

even if you used just a heimjoint and a LONG bolt and a metal spacer tube... how is that effective?

just thinking out loud....

safety first... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif)
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post Apr 6 2005, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (J P Stein @ Apr 6 2005, 09:03 PM)
It ain't quite that simple, but it ain't quite 300 bucks complicated either.
It race stuff + Porsche stuff....bring money. I'll bend my steering arms instead.

There was a thread on the bird board bout these things breaking.....lotta ...attempts to hush it up.....or so it seemed to me.

hush conspiracy? interesting.... anyone die? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)
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post Apr 6 2005, 10:18 PM
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I thought a bump steer kit was a fancy name for steering rack spacers. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

Big ol' washers.

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post Apr 6 2005, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE (trekkor @ Apr 6 2005, 09:18 PM)
I thought a bump steer kit was a fancy name for steering rack spacers. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)

Big ol' washers.

KT

that helps.... not enuff apparently....

so insteaf of raising the rack to meet the pitman arm.... they keep the rack low and use hi tech spacers from the tie rod end (now a heim joint) to keep the tie rods parallel to the ground (or optimum angle)


look at the pic....

heim joint = no play = crisper steering..... probably no benefit over turbo tie rods though....
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post Apr 6 2005, 10:25 PM
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Nope, but a guy up at SIR (or whatever they're callin' it these days) got his self a pair of brown skivies (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif)

The hole in the pitman arm is tapered. A turbo tie rod end is as good ar the hiem ball ends.

If you raise the spindles you need some way to get the steering arm back to the proper angle.
Joggling the pitman arm down is another option. Ignore this and you may bump steer yourself into a heap of trouble.

Look on the Smart Racing website for a pic of em. $289 IIRC.
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post Apr 6 2005, 10:33 PM
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post Apr 6 2005, 10:38 PM
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i'd like to know what part broke??

it seems that it could only be the bolt or the hiem joint that could fail...

if the tapered fit was too loose, this could have caused a problem since the leverage available at that union is now increased........

things that make you go ummmmmmm
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post Apr 6 2005, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE (Mueller @ Apr 6 2005, 09:38 PM)
things that make you go ummmmmmm

ummmmm

what material should they be made out of? steel....high strength steel....
wouldnt it be better to make it out of one through bolt? then it is failsafe....as long as the nut is cotterpinned...

EDIT: they are one bolt....effectively just a lathed spacer, am i right?
as long as the tapers match up, and a castleated nut is used along with a cotterpin, what could happen??
grade 10 bolts....

hmmmmmmm
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post Apr 6 2005, 10:44 PM
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My car is koo-koo low (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)
I have TT rod ends and rack spacers installed.
Competition alignment with lots of neg camber.

I can't even imagine it responding even better (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)

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QUOTE (trekkor @ Apr 6 2005, 09:44 PM)
My car is koo-koo low (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)
I have TT rod ends and rack spacers installed.
Competition alignment with lots of neg camber.

I can't even imagine it responding even better (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)

KT

same here... a tad over 3" to the donuts on falkens.....

i get some...bump steer even with rack spacers.... lots of neg camber (AX alignment) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)
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The bolt broke.....long bolt...in shear....go figure.
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QUOTE (J P Stein @ Apr 6 2005, 09:47 PM)
The bolt broke.....long bolt...in shear....go figure.

that will do it..... thats a no win situation.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

grade 8 or grade 10 bolts?
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QUOTE (J P Stein @ Apr 6 2005, 09:47 PM)
The bolt broke.....long bolt...in shear....go figure.

and I'm sure he was not running little bitty tires either (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)

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