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> New to 914's. Please help identify my engine., VIN Numbers
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post Jun 23 2016, 05:12 AM
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Hi,
My 1972 914 is VIN 4722904683.

The engine number in my 914 is EA023811.

Could this be the original engine to the car? … Could it be a VW type 4 engine. How do I tell the difference?

Thanks in advance for any help/advice
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post Jun 23 2016, 05:35 AM
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Only way to tell is get a COA from Porsche. Click on the right and corner of this forum 914 info. Should be able to help provide information.
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post Jun 23 2016, 05:42 AM
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EA023811
EA was used in VW's from 1972-1974 (1700cc engine) but also in the 914 between 1972-1973 (also 1700cc)
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post Jun 23 2016, 05:59 AM
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QUOTE(Frankvw @ Jun 23 2016, 05:42 AM) *

EA023811
EA was used in VW's from 1972-1974 (1700cc engine) but also in the 914 between 1972-1973 (also 1700cc)


Thanks. Does the number 023811 help tell if its a 914 or VW engine? ... or any other bolt-on parts or stampings that are Porsche or VW only?
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post Jun 23 2016, 06:00 AM
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QUOTE(914Sixer @ Jun 23 2016, 05:35 AM) *

Only way to tell is get a COA from Porsche. Click on the right and corner of this forum 914 info. Should be able to help provide information.


Thanks for this!
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post Jun 23 2016, 06:33 AM
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QUOTE(INDAWEEDS @ Jun 23 2016, 07:59 AM) *

QUOTE(Frankvw @ Jun 23 2016, 05:42 AM) *

EA023811
EA was used in VW's from 1972-1974 (1700cc engine) but also in the 914 between 1972-1973 (also 1700cc)


Thanks. Does the number 023811 help tell if its a 914 or VW engine? ... or any other bolt-on parts or stampings that are Porsche or VW only?


You do not have a Porsche engine. All 1700 engines in 914s are VW Type IVs.

A 914 is more VW than it is Porsche (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
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post Jun 23 2016, 06:48 AM
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No, it does not (at least not for me).
But since your car is a 914 from 1972, and the engine is from that same period, it is likely, and I agree a Certificate would be the way to make sure it is....

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EA023811
EA was used in VW's from 1972-1974 (1700cc engine) but also in the 914 between 1972-1973 (also 1700cc)


Thanks. Does the number 023811 help tell if its a 914 or VW engine? ... or any other bolt-on parts or stampings that are Porsche or VW only?
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post Jun 23 2016, 07:13 AM
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QUOTE(dlee6204 @ Jun 23 2016, 06:33 AM) *

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QUOTE(Frankvw @ Jun 23 2016, 05:42 AM) *

EA023811
EA was used in VW's from 1972-1974 (1700cc engine) but also in the 914 between 1972-1973 (also 1700cc)


Thanks. Does the number 023811 help tell if its a 914 or VW engine? ... or any other bolt-on parts or stampings that are Porsche or VW only?


You do not have a Porsche engine. All 1700 engines in 914s are VW Type IVs.

A 914 is more VW than it is Porsche (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)


Thanks. So numbers matching for a 914 1.7 is more about (period correct) 72 car, 72 engine? This is what 914 owners look for when buying a 914 base. Not so much if its a VW or Porsche engine correct? ... at least for the 4's
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post Jun 23 2016, 07:21 AM
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No...numbers matching = numbers matching, not period correct.
If you are happy it does not matter, if you are going for a restoration it is more important to have a numbers matching car. If you just want to drive it, it is better to have a running period correct engine than a non-op numbers matching car :-)


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QUOTE(Frankvw @ Jun 23 2016, 05:42 AM) *

EA023811
EA was used in VW's from 1972-1974 (1700cc engine) but also in the 914 between 1972-1973 (also 1700cc)


Thanks. Does the number 023811 help tell if its a 914 or VW engine? ... or any other bolt-on parts or stampings that are Porsche or VW only?


You do not have a Porsche engine. All 1700 engines in 914s are VW Type IVs.

A 914 is more VW than it is Porsche (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)


Thanks. So numbers matching for a 914 1.7 is more about (period correct) 72 car, 72 engine? This is what 914 owners look for when buying a 914 base. Not so much if its a VW or Porsche engine correct? ... at least for the 4's
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post Jun 23 2016, 07:31 AM
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If you have the original owners manual it should have the engine serial number recorded in it.
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post Jun 23 2016, 10:21 AM
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Your engine number EA023811 falls within the range of engine numbers for your VIN 4722904683

VIN Range 4722900001 - 4722921580
Engine # Range EA0000001-EA0057000

So, more than likely, the engine is the one that came with the car. Of course, the only sure way to know is to get a COA.

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post Jun 23 2016, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(poorsche914 @ Jun 23 2016, 10:21 AM) *

Your engine number EA023811 falls within the range of engine numbers for your VIN 4722904683

VIN Range 4722900001 - 4722921580
Engine # Range EA0000001-EA0057000

So, more than likely, the engine is the one that came with the car. Of course, the only sure way to know is to get a COA.

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post Jun 23 2016, 11:24 AM
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Not so much if its a VW or Porsche engine correct? ... at least for the 4's

All /4 cars had VW engines. The T4 engine *is* a VW engine.

Although VW had some help from Porsche when they designed it but that's besides the point.

You will find VW stampings all over your engine, which is *correct* for a /4.
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PS: The only way to find out if it is the original engine and thus "numbers matching" is to order a COA from PCNA.
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post Jun 23 2016, 01:02 PM
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post Jun 23 2016, 01:06 PM
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post Jun 23 2016, 01:10 PM
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For the sake of argument, I would argue that a 914/4 Porsche has a PORSCHE engine in it, regardless of its supplier. Its similar to the VW engine in some of the VWs of the same era, but not identical in every respect. It was built, configured and intended for the PORSCHE 914.

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post Jun 23 2016, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Jun 23 2016, 12:13 PM) *

For the sake of argument, I would argue that a 914/4 Porsche has a PORSCHE engine in it, regardless of its supplier. Its similar to the VW engine in some of the VWs of the same era, but not identical in every respect. It was built, configured and intended for the PORSCHE 914.

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Any chance you can provide a quick "punch list" that summarizes key differences?
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post Jun 24 2016, 11:32 AM
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For a start, oil filler location.
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