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GregAmy
post Aug 7 2016, 09:43 AM
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Nice beautiful New England Day, heading off to the Manchester CT car show and...car won't start. Cranks, a few cylinders fire, then it dies. I cycle the key and hear the pump running and then stop (as before) and same thing: spits then dies.

I tried cycling the key a few times, with the mindset of building more pressure, and it spits a few more cylinders then dies. Even got it to rev a little bit with a half-dozen key cycles, but always dies.

Only other symptoms is that I noticed the last time I drove it earlier in the week it was dying when I put in the clutch. Was not consistent, only did ti a few times, but that was unusual behavior.

Stock 2L fuel injection, but with cold start and idle air bypass systems disabled; been running fine like this for the several years I've had it.

Checked all the relays, each works with the heater blower. Swapping them makes no difference (which I expected, given the pump cycles with the key). My guess is that however the pump is supposed to continue to run after releasing the key, it's not getting the power it needs (just a guess, I've not gotten under there with a voltmeter to verify). The wiring diagrams are not clear (to me) how that power is applied to the fuel pump relay.

Any way to quickly salvage my afternoon trip to the car show, or am I using my beautiful afternoon to swap the street car onto the lift for extended diagnosis?

40-yr-old electrics, gotta love 'em.

- GA
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GregAmy   '74 2L Starts Then Dies   Aug 7 2016, 09:43 AM
GregAmy   So I removed the relay panel harness connector, th...   Aug 7 2016, 10:01 AM
The Cabinetmaker   Its all in the Brad Anders website. Brads 914 2.0L...   Aug 7 2016, 12:17 PM
GregAmy   Made it to the show and back, but it was cutting o...   Aug 7 2016, 12:54 PM
The Cabinetmaker   Go here http://members.rennlist.com/pbanders/DJe...   Aug 7 2016, 12:58 PM
boxsterfan   Stock pump in stock location on stock wiring? If ...   Aug 7 2016, 01:18 PM
GregAmy   Thanks. Do you know if "19 and relay plate te...   Aug 7 2016, 01:36 PM
GregAmy   Ok, so maybe this thing isn't worked out yet.....   Aug 29 2016, 10:16 AM
BeatNavy   I've checked the head temp sensor and it...   Aug 29 2016, 10:33 AM
Sleepin   Fuel pump? Sometimes when fuel pumps start to fail...   Aug 29 2016, 10:24 AM
76-914   I'm going to suggest that you install a FP pre...   Aug 29 2016, 03:48 PM
GregAmy   Thanks for the tips. I don't think it's t...   Aug 30 2016, 05:56 AM
Philip W.   Thanks for the tips. I don't think it's ...   Aug 30 2016, 06:41 AM
BeatNavy   As for the head temp sensor...man, trying to trou...   Aug 30 2016, 06:49 AM
Shadowfax   What type of plugs are you using and what is their...   Aug 30 2016, 06:49 AM
injunmort   fuel sock and fuel filter, first.   Aug 30 2016, 05:13 PM
GregAmy   Another data point. I was considering hitting the...   Sep 4 2016, 07:53 AM
GregAmy   OK, I lied, couldn't stay away from it. Since ...   Sep 4 2016, 02:54 PM
GregAmy   And more randomly-chucking darts toward a blank wa...   Sep 4 2016, 03:24 PM
injunmort   i am starting to suspect a duff coil and just for ...   Sep 4 2016, 04:19 PM
76-914   Fuel pressure. Well I'll be. As far as the int...   Sep 4 2016, 09:04 PM
GregAmy   I don't believe it's an ignition problem. ...   Sep 4 2016, 09:17 PM
GregAmy   Aaaaand it's back. After starting and running ...   Mar 9 2017, 03:34 PM
GregAmy   Ok, yeah, this thing is really pissing me off now....   Mar 9 2017, 04:29 PM
Porschef   Sure seems like fuel. Sounds like your pump is ru...   Mar 9 2017, 04:52 PM
GregAmy   And OF COURSE it starts fine yesterday and today. ...   Mar 11 2017, 10:18 AM
GregAmy   I'm not convinced it's fuel pump or pressu...   Mar 9 2017, 05:14 PM
ThePaintedMan   I had a similar problem, but in a more modern car....   Mar 9 2017, 05:26 PM
76-914   Greg, just for "shits n grins" check you...   Mar 9 2017, 06:15 PM
GregAmy   Thanks for the tips; keep 'em comin'! ...   Mar 9 2017, 06:22 PM
Dave_Darling   How's the fuel pressure? You've been kick...   Mar 9 2017, 06:57 PM
GregAmy   OK, here's some more data. I was playing arou...   Mar 11 2017, 11:41 AM
Dave_Darling   The CSV is powered by the yellow starter wire. It...   Mar 11 2017, 07:19 PM
McLovin   Aren't the injectors electrical? Maybe you...   Mar 12 2017, 12:17 AM
Dave_Darling   The only injectors I know of that are not electric...   Mar 12 2017, 11:10 AM
McLovin   The only injectors I know of that are not electri...   Mar 12 2017, 11:36 AM
GregAmy   30 psi. See post #32, specifically paragraph 2.   Mar 12 2017, 11:24 AM
Dave_Darling   30 psi. See post #32, specifically paragraph 2. ...   Mar 13 2017, 03:36 PM
The Cabinetmaker   Sounds like Mctrolling to me.   Mar 12 2017, 12:14 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   There is always Chris Foley around the corner from...   Mar 13 2017, 03:45 PM
Mike D.   Fuel injector Trigger points in the distributor......   Mar 13 2017, 04:02 PM
GregAmy   There is always Chris Foley around the corner fro...   Mar 13 2017, 04:25 PM
Mike D.   There is always Chris Foley around the corner fr...   Mar 13 2017, 08:01 PM
GregAmy   And the answer is...(or seems to be...) Wait for...   Apr 6 2017, 09:10 AM
Philip W.   And the answer is...(or seems to be...) Wait fo...   Apr 6 2017, 10:13 AM
GregAmy   I did!!!! Post #13 on first page...   Apr 28 2017, 06:54 AM


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