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Larmo63
post Aug 15 2016, 01:44 PM
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I'd like to know the history of the car, it sounds interesting…..
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post Aug 15 2016, 02:13 PM
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I'd like to reach a point someday where I can say, I'm going to take this car out of mothballs, throw an engine in it and drive around.
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post Aug 15 2016, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE(Mike D. @ Aug 15 2016, 02:16 PM) *

So wait, I'm putting an original (slightly modified) 914-6 engine in my converted '74. Is the engine worth more than the car? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

If you find the original car it might be
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post Aug 15 2016, 02:26 PM
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waxed up the oil tank
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painted the engine mount
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post Aug 15 2016, 02:28 PM
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Looks good Glenn!
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post Aug 16 2016, 10:58 AM
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First off, I mean no disrespect so I hope none is taken...

I think the car and the marque deserve the car to be restored. There is risk in the approach the owner is taking unless all mechanicals are brought up to snuff. Even so, fires, accidents, etc. can happen. Then what do you have? An engine with no matching car.

If funds are not available to restore the car (I know I couldn't afford it by a long shot) then maybe the car should go to someone who can afford it and appreciates the cars significance. I would assume the owner would make a pretty penny from such a sale?

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I agree.. Too much risk in damaging the original engine..
The added value of a matching numbers car can't be dismissed lightly.

I wouldn't rebuild it just to keep it sitting though..
As long as it is turned over with a wrench on the crank bolt every now and then..
I'd pour mystery oil in the plug holes, oil the hell out of the linkages and leave
it for the next owner to deal with.
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post Aug 16 2016, 11:05 AM
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QUOTE(Mike D. @ Aug 15 2016, 03:16 PM) *

So wait, I'm putting an original (slightly modified) 914-6 engine in my converted '74. Is the engine worth more than the car? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Maybe, if you can find the car it belongs to.
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post Aug 16 2016, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(mangrum @ Aug 16 2016, 11:58 AM) *

First off, I mean no disrespect so I hope none is taken...

I think the car and the marque deserve the car to be restored. There is risk in the approach the owner is taking unless all mechanicals are brought up to snuff. Even so, fires, accidents, etc. can happen. Then what do you have? An engine with no matching car.

If funds are not available to restore the car (I know I couldn't afford it by a long shot) then maybe the car should go to someone who can afford it and appreciates the cars significance. I would assume the owner would make a pretty penny from such a sale?

QUOTE(gandalf_025 @ Aug 14 2016, 11:57 AM) *

I agree.. Too much risk in damaging the original engine..
The added value of a matching numbers car can't be dismissed lightly.

I wouldn't rebuild it just to keep it sitting though..
As long as it is turned over with a wrench on the crank bolt every now and then..
I'd pour mystery oil in the plug holes, oil the hell out of the linkages and leave
it for the next owner to deal with.


Thank you for your concern but I am not ready to sell the car and second when it gets restored I will be the one who does it.

The car is not falling apart nor neglected to the point that its structural integrity is in jeopardy it just has a 26 year old paint job.

#12 will be prepared as well as my racecar that I take wheel to wheel racing, in other words I can prepare a car well enough to bet my life on it performing properly.

If #12 is totally trashed or burned beyond repair then there will just be another 914/6 engine and transmission wondering the world without its original car...better than a chassis without its original engine and trans in my opinion.
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post Aug 16 2016, 12:59 PM
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off the engine stand after valves have been adjusted and oil seals have been replaced.
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post Aug 16 2016, 10:11 PM
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So a German friend who can get information researched the Karmann number for the first production 914-6s and this is what he found:
914 043 0012 - Karmann number 130 009
914 043 0011 - Karmann number 130 010
914 043 0013 - Karmann number 130 011
That means you have the 914/6 production car with the lowest Karmann # !

I really want to strip the rear trunk and see if I can find a number, there is no Karmann badge in the driver door jam.
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post Aug 16 2016, 10:28 PM
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here is the area that the Karmann badge would be attached
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from the back side you can see there were never holes to mount the badge
this is consistent with 914 043 0011
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post Aug 16 2016, 10:34 PM
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post Aug 18 2016, 06:25 AM
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Glenn your forgetting on sixes the only info on the pillar badge is the paint code.. scrape away in the trunk..we want to know ########
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post Aug 18 2016, 09:46 AM
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Nice!
Thanks for sharing!
Made my rather dull day MUCH more interesting.
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post Aug 18 2016, 11:35 AM
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Glenn your forgetting on sixes the only info on the pillar badge is the paint code.. scrape away in the trunk..we want to know ########

Nope didn't forget, I was just pointing out that this car never had a Karmann badge.
but the nicest parts of the paint job is in the trunk.
notice how they did not use seam sealer also the wiring harness clips are on the passenger side going back to the tail lights, this is all consistent with 914 043 0011
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post Aug 18 2016, 11:48 AM
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a huge safety concern is the 47 year old fuel lines so they will be replaced with stainless steel.
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post Aug 18 2016, 11:51 AM
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My good friend Mark Kinnaman has been helping out, here he is installing a new rear seal on the engine. Notice I pulled the Marelli distributor, i prefer the Bosch unit.
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post Aug 18 2016, 02:14 PM
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That is awesome Glenn! Very cool to see those differences in assembly procedures, I love automotive archaeology!

Keep up the good work!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
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post Aug 18 2016, 02:41 PM
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I cant believe I am just now realizing that GMS is "the" Glenn S. you are one of the pioneers in the 914 hobby!

Glenn, am I correct in that I remember this car being discussed on the original 914 Renegade site that pre-dated even Pelican? Like 1995-96? I think I have a pic saved on an old hard drive recently after the car was painted red. That car was the only reason I kept the 916 bumpers on my old car, as yours was the only one that had them where they looked good.

Very very cool!

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post Aug 18 2016, 03:56 PM
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Is this door catch a different shape or is it the picture? I know the bolt is probably temporary.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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