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post Jul 9 2020, 11:36 PM
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https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077LVMGJ4/?colii...lv_ov_lig_dp_it
I just found these on Amazon. You can put in 4 for the price of a blaze cut. Purple too.
I have a blaze cut on my 914 with rain tray and it does not fit well but its in there.
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post Jul 10 2020, 06:26 AM
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QUOTE(djway @ Jul 10 2020, 12:36 AM) *

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077LVMGJ4/?colii...lv_ov_lig_dp_it
I just found these on Amazon. You can put in 4 for the price of a blaze cut. Purple too.
I have a blaze cut on my 914 with rain tray and it does not fit well but its in there.

Ehhh...found in the questions section:

Question: Does this have any certifications with any fire agency? I see the description lists all types of fires, but I don't see anything about testing.

Answer:We have several certifications for the fireball, one is RoHS2 DIRECTIVE 2011/65/EU another is the MSDS safety test and the CE test report plus we have gone through the China National Quality Supervision and Testing For Fire Fighting Products.

Just FYI for those who don't know: RoHS is a rule about hazardous waste in electronics, MSDS is a Material Safety Data Sheet (tells you the exposure risks), CE is a self-certifying report that says the manufacturer tested it, and in general only applies to electronics. And I'm not going to comment on the China National Quality thing...

Be careful if you want to try that product out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
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post Jul 10 2020, 07:38 AM
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I wonder if you could put two shorter lengths instead of the long looped style. Mark
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post Jul 10 2020, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE(mlindner @ Jul 10 2020, 06:38 AM) *

I wonder if you could put two shorter lengths instead of the long looped style. Mark


That's exactly what I was just thinking....cost would obviously be more but if it can be easily made to work with a rain tray, that might be the ticket.
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post Jul 10 2020, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(mlindner @ Jul 10 2020, 05:38 AM) *

I wonder if you could put two shorter lengths instead of the long looped style. Mark


Hey mlind, even the shortest BlazeCut is 44 inches long, obviously too long to use straight only. Highly pressurized, cannot be cut or shortened...
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post Jul 10 2020, 11:29 AM
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What about running it around the perimeter of the engine bay instead of putting it on the lid? Maybe fit a longer one in there. I don't know what sizes are available.
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post Jul 10 2020, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE(Olympic 914 @ Jul 10 2020, 09:29 AM) *

What about running it around the perimeter of the engine bay instead of putting it on the lid? Maybe fit a longer one in there. I don't know what sizes are available.

hey Olympic,
Regarding engine bay perimeter installation of the BlazeCut tube, I would speculate that it would probably still work in a fire, but might take longer to activate, as it is the direct flame that melts the hole in the plastic tube and allows gas release. If the tubing is on the perimeter alongside the fire and not above the flames, it might take longer to reach melting temperature and activate.....
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post Jul 10 2020, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(oakdalecurtis @ Jul 10 2020, 11:31 AM) *

QUOTE(mlindner @ Jul 10 2020, 05:38 AM) *

I wonder if you could put two shorter lengths instead of the long looped style. Mark


Hey mlind, even the shortest BlazeCut is 44 inches long, obviously too long to use straight only. Highly pressurized, cannot be cut or shortened...


Just found the shortest is 100cm/39 inches, that would work great with two straight ones behind the engine grill. Mark
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post Jul 10 2020, 12:00 PM
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I see the shortest being 44" but i can't go out and measure where that would work...

https://www.blazecutusa.com/products/t100e
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post Jul 10 2020, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(jd74914 @ Jul 10 2020, 04:26 AM) *

QUOTE(djway @ Jul 10 2020, 12:36 AM) *

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077LVMGJ4/?colii...lv_ov_lig_dp_it
I just found these on Amazon. You can put in 4 for the price of a blaze cut. Purple too.
I have a blaze cut on my 914 with rain tray and it does not fit well but its in there.

Ehhh...found in the questions section:

Question: Does this have any certifications with any fire agency? I see the description lists all types of fires, but I don't see anything about testing.

Answer:We have several certifications for the fireball, one is RoHS2 DIRECTIVE 2011/65/EU another is the MSDS safety test and the CE test report plus we have gone through the China National Quality Supervision and Testing For Fire Fighting Products.

Just FYI for those who don't know: RoHS is a rule about hazardous waste in electronics, MSDS is a Material Safety Data Sheet (tells you the exposure risks), CE is a self-certifying report that says the manufacturer tested it, and in general only applies to electronics. And I'm not going to comment on the China National Quality thing...

Be careful if you want to try that product out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

The posted specs say should not to be exposed to water, so not a good idea to be mounted in the exposed engine compartment of a 914.
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post Jul 10 2020, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(FlacaProductions @ Jul 10 2020, 01:00 PM) *

I see the shortest being 44" but i can't go out and measure where that would work...

https://www.blazecutusa.com/products/t100e

The T100 E has a tube length of 100 cm, 39 inches, easily fit two straight tube under 914 engine lid.
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post Jul 11 2020, 09:21 AM
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@mlindner - I think we're looking at the same product here but getting different specs.
I don't see 39 inches listed anywhere...it does say: "44" unit length"
I'm wondering if the tube is 100cm/39 inches but the overall unit is 44" when including the fittings on each end.

https://www.blazecutusa.com/products/t100e
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post Jul 11 2020, 09:43 AM
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So if with the metal ends it 44.....still works since the engine lid is 46 inches wide. Mark
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post Jul 11 2020, 01:31 PM
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Now to figure out a way to secure/attach....
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post Jul 11 2020, 02:30 PM
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Come-on FlacaP.....we all fabricate, that is not an issue. Best, Mark
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Someone else has to lead the way on this - i'm 2100 miles away from my 914 and i won't be around it anytime soon. sad face.
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post Jul 12 2020, 07:20 AM
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Betty and I are seriously considering this for our 914s, but we have some reservations.....

How hot does the engine compartment get? Is it hot enough on a hot Texas summer day to activate it?

What happens if you have two installed, you have a fire, and only one of them discharges? The other one is immediately suspect, and would have to be disposed of. But how do you get rid of it?


The Blazecut units contain HFC227ea. In the computer world, this is known as "FM200". It is a gas that suffocates a fire, so no powder residue. But I know from safety briefings on computer room operations that you can't be in the room when the FM200 is discharged. It will kill you via suffocation. What happens if you are in the car when it goes off? Will it get in the car? If so, how much does it take to suffocate you? And what about all of you that have cut an access panel in the firewall? Does it seal tight enough to keep it out?


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post Jul 12 2020, 08:11 AM
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Doing some shopping online and found this:

FireSlayer Automatic Tube Style Fire Extinguisher

They also have this disclaimer on their page: "At this time the FireSlayer is not an FM, UL or SFI Approved fire extinguishment device."
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post Jul 12 2020, 08:20 AM
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Let’s see if I can answer some of the points Clay brought up.

I live in the desert and my concern is the continued heat that the tubes would be exposed to. In time this could cause the tubing to weaken.

If your running two tubes and one activates but does not completely put out the fire then the fire would have to get large enough to activate the other tube.

If the other tube didn’t activate during a fire then I agree it’s highly compromised.

You would have a greater exposure to the toxic smoke from your car on fire then this system depleting the oxygen to the point it would cause suffocation.

These systems just temporary remove the oxygen which of course puts out a fire but does not keep the gasoline from emitting fumes or does it get to any fire that’s underneath your tins.

Unless you pay extra for the system with the pressure gauge then you would never know that it’s holding its charge.

My gut feeling is you still need to carry a 10 lb.Purple K Fire Extinguisher as a back up.
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My gut feeling is you still need to carry a 10 lb.Purple K Fire Extinguisher as a back up.


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We have extinguishers mounted in all of our 914s. They get checked and replaced on a regular schedule. We are not getting rid of them for any reason.
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