Home  |  Forums  |  914 Info  |  Blogs
 
914World.com - The fastest growing online 914 community!
 
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way.
Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners.
 

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

> MicroSquit Conversion, Giving this a try
Mblizzard
post Oct 3 2016, 07:18 AM
Post #1


Advanced Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3,033
Joined: 28-January 13
From: Knoxville Tn
Member No.: 15,438
Region Association: South East States



I am pretty happy with my stock FI. But after seeing some of the setups at Okteenerfest, I thought this might be worth trying.

The stock system is not easy to modify and get things running correctly. I spent a lot of time making minor adjustments by trial and error. While I am not looking for huge HP gains or anything, it is pretty clear that the mods I have could potentially benefit from a bit more precise control.

Going to start with fuel only at this point to get things going and see where it leads me. Any help or suggestions for set up would be appreciated.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Replies
jd74914
post Oct 5 2016, 10:30 AM
Post #2


Its alive
****

Group: Members
Posts: 4,776
Joined: 16-February 04
From: CT
Member No.: 1,659
Region Association: North East States



Oops, just read your more recent post and saw that you want to use the coil for timing. Having increased resolution on the crank allows you better engine positioning accuracy so you can tune injection/ignition times better. Different applications, but generally better engine position accuracy results in a crisper tune.

With a T4 engine, the dizzy is driven right off of the motor so timing accuracy is very good compared to most engines. On engines with a belt/chain timing drive, there can be 2-5 degrees (or more) of error depending on engine speed, etc.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Mark Henry
post Oct 5 2016, 12:48 PM
Post #3


that's what I do!
***************

Group: Members
Posts: 20,065
Joined: 27-December 02
From: Port Hope, Ontario
Member No.: 26
Region Association: Canada



QUOTE(jd74914 @ Oct 5 2016, 12:30 PM) *

Oops, just read your more recent post and saw that you want to use the coil for timing. Having increased resolution on the crank allows you better engine positioning accuracy so you can tune injection/ignition times better. Different applications, but generally better engine position accuracy results in a crisper tune.

With a T4 engine, the dizzy is driven right off of the motor so timing accuracy is very good compared to most engines. On engines with a belt/chain timing drive, there can be 2-5 degrees (or more) of error depending on engine speed, etc.


Well debateable ...crankfire is still not as accurate as many believe, a 2-4 degree variance would still be the acceptable norm. As far as the dizzy drive goes it only becomes less accurate when you decelerate, and that doesn't really matter. The performance gain that most are seeing comes from the advance curve and higher voltages of modern coils.

Same debate as far as sequential and batch fired injectors. The only real advantage of sequential fuel injection is an emissions and maybe slightly better MPG. And this is at lower RPM's, over say 4000 RPM most of this becomes a moot point.

BTW I've been running EFI and crankfire since 2003.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Mblizzard
post Oct 5 2016, 01:13 PM
Post #4


Advanced Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3,033
Joined: 28-January 13
From: Knoxville Tn
Member No.: 15,438
Region Association: South East States



QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Oct 5 2016, 10:48 AM) *

QUOTE(jd74914 @ Oct 5 2016, 12:30 PM) *

Oops, just read your more recent post and saw that you want to use the coil for timing. Having increased resolution on the crank allows you better engine positioning accuracy so you can tune injection/ignition times better. Different applications, but generally better engine position accuracy results in a crisper tune.

With a T4 engine, the dizzy is driven right off of the motor so timing accuracy is very good compared to most engines. On engines with a belt/chain timing drive, there can be 2-5 degrees (or more) of error depending on engine speed, etc.


Well debateable ...crankfire is still not as accurate as many believe, a 2-4 degree variance would still be the acceptable norm. As far as the dizzy drive goes it only becomes less accurate when you decelerate, and that doesn't really matter. The performance gain that most are seeing comes from the advance curve and higher voltages of modern coils.

Same debate as far as sequential and batch fired injectors. The only real advantage of sequential fuel injection is an emissions and maybe slightly better MPG. And this is at lower RPM's, over say 4000 RPM most of this becomes a moot point.

BTW I've been running EFI and crankfire since 2003.


As I tend to be, I am so far ahead of myself it is not even funny. Just got email that my MicroSquirt was delivered and was left on the front porch. So I am all ready looking at jumping to the ignition and sequential injection timing and I have not even opened the first box yet!

For my engine I think I will be spending most of my time below the 4K mark so the sequential fuel injection is desirable to me but obviously not a requirement.

But I would like to go to a more modern coil set up and have the ability to control my timing. If there is a dizzy based option to control the timing I would be good with that and let the sequential go.

Something like this seems perfect but not sure where to find. Attached Image


User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
cgnj
post Oct 5 2016, 02:04 PM
Post #5


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 623
Joined: 6-March 03
From: Medford, NJ
Member No.: 403
Region Association: None



This is the Dubshop cam position sensor $155.00 Dubshop Ignition
Can do batch or sequential. It is pre-order now. I have it installed and my engine is on the stand. I'll add that to my picture list.

Have we hijacked this thread yet? If so, I'm sorry.

Carlos
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Mblizzard
post Oct 5 2016, 02:27 PM
Post #6


Advanced Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 3,033
Joined: 28-January 13
From: Knoxville Tn
Member No.: 15,438
Region Association: South East States



QUOTE(cgnj @ Oct 5 2016, 12:04 PM) *

This is the Dubshop cam position sensor $155.00 Dubshop Ignition
Can do batch or sequential. It is pre-order now. I have it installed and my engine is on the stand. I'll add that to my picture list.

Have we hijacked this thread yet? If so, I'm sorry.

Carlos


Nope on the hijack. Lots of good information.

Would like to see if this could be done initially for fuel only for around $600. So far that seems possible assuming our time is free.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Posts in this topic
Mblizzard   MicroSquit Conversion   Oct 3 2016, 07:18 AM
76-914   :popcorn:   Oct 3 2016, 07:35 AM
GregAmy   I've been giving this a lot of thought. I...   Oct 3 2016, 08:01 AM
Mblizzard   I've been giving this a lot of thought. I...   Oct 3 2016, 08:08 AM
McMark   I have all the pieces I used on my car. Working o...   Oct 3 2016, 08:03 AM
Mblizzard   I have all the pieces I used on my car. Working ...   Oct 3 2016, 08:05 AM
McMark   :P Done!   Oct 3 2016, 08:07 AM
GregAmy   It will be easy to self wire. However, if you want...   Oct 3 2016, 08:18 AM
Mblizzard   It will be easy to self wire. However, if you wan...   Oct 3 2016, 08:38 AM
plays with cars   Mike, I think you're concern is justified abou...   Oct 3 2016, 09:34 AM
Mblizzard   Still asking questions. A number of people have c...   Oct 3 2016, 11:15 AM
jcd914   Still asking questions. A number of people have ...   Oct 3 2016, 04:50 PM
cgnj   Hi, I thought about about all of these issues whi...   Oct 4 2016, 04:30 AM
Mblizzard   Hi, I thought about about all of these issues wh...   Oct 4 2016, 06:05 AM
JamesM   All sorts of cool stuff http://www.thedubshop.net...   Oct 3 2016, 11:53 AM
jd74914   Does the Dakota CHT gauge have any analog (voltage...   Oct 4 2016, 06:19 AM
Mblizzard   Does the Dakota CHT gauge have any analog (voltag...   Oct 4 2016, 11:01 AM
McMark   CHT Group Buy from Mark Whitesell Never had a gro...   Oct 4 2016, 07:16 AM
Mblizzard   CHT Group Buy from Mark Whitesell Never had a gr...   Oct 4 2016, 08:18 AM
Mark Henry   If you use the stock 914 injectors (low impedance)...   Oct 4 2016, 03:20 PM
Mblizzard   If you use the stock 914 injectors (low impedance...   Oct 4 2016, 05:36 PM
Dtjaden   Some comments on my 2 year journey with Megasquirt...   Oct 4 2016, 05:44 PM
Porschef   By the way, on the drive to Medford and back I ...   Oct 4 2016, 07:13 PM
Dtjaden   I think you could contact Mario at the DubShop or ...   Oct 4 2016, 08:38 PM
Mblizzard   Some comments on my 2 year journey with Megasquir...   Oct 5 2016, 07:48 AM
Dtjaden   The DubShop CHT sensor is installed under one of t...   Oct 5 2016, 09:10 AM
Mblizzard   The DubShop CHT sensor is installed under one of ...   Oct 5 2016, 09:40 AM
JamesM   [quote name='Dtjaden' post='2407555' date='Oct 5 ...   Oct 7 2016, 02:17 PM
jd74914   Hoping to not go the crank trigger rout because I...   Oct 5 2016, 10:21 AM
Mblizzard   Hoping to not go the crank trigger rout because ...   Oct 5 2016, 10:58 AM
cgnj   [quote name='jd74914' post='2407580' date='Oct 5 ...   Oct 5 2016, 11:35 AM
N_Jay   . . . .Crank position sensor in distributor will...   Oct 5 2016, 12:11 PM
Mblizzard   Hoping to not go the crank trigger rout because ...   Oct 5 2016, 11:01 AM
Mueller   [quote name='Mblizzard' post='2407513' date='Oct ...   Oct 6 2016, 10:51 AM
Mblizzard   [quote name='Mblizzard' post='2407513' date='Oct...   Oct 6 2016, 11:25 AM
cgnj   9. I mounted the Megasquirt (not Microsquirt) in...   Oct 5 2016, 11:44 AM
porsche913b_sp   :popcorn:   Oct 4 2016, 06:18 PM
jd74914   Oops, just read your more recent post and saw that...   Oct 5 2016, 10:30 AM
Mark Henry   Oops, just read your more recent post and saw tha...   Oct 5 2016, 12:48 PM
Mblizzard   Oops, just read your more recent post and saw th...   Oct 5 2016, 01:13 PM
cgnj   This is the Dubshop cam position sensor $155....   Oct 5 2016, 02:04 PM
Mblizzard   This is the Dubshop cam position sensor $155...   Oct 5 2016, 02:27 PM
Dtjaden   [quote name='cgnj' post='2407689' date='Oct 5 201...   Oct 5 2016, 03:52 PM
Mark Henry   Yep, I'm just saying don't get hung up on ...   Oct 5 2016, 01:20 PM
Mblizzard   First box of goodies!   Oct 5 2016, 04:49 PM
Dtjaden   For anyone looking for a packaged solution for und...   Oct 5 2016, 11:33 PM
McMark   I don't think MicroSquirt does sequential inje...   Oct 6 2016, 07:37 AM
Mblizzard   I don't think MicroSquirt does sequential inj...   Oct 6 2016, 10:38 AM
aircooledtechguy   I own, run and have installed virtually every prod...   Oct 6 2016, 10:40 PM
Dtjaden   I own, run and have installed virtually every pro...   Oct 6 2016, 10:53 PM
Mblizzard   I own, run and have installed virtually every pro...   Oct 7 2016, 08:43 AM
N_Jay   I think the crank trigger would be better as well...   Oct 7 2016, 08:57 AM
Mblizzard   I think the crank trigger would be better as wel...   Oct 7 2016, 09:10 AM
cgnj   [quote name='N_Jay' post='2408476' date='Oct 7 20...   Oct 7 2016, 10:03 AM
cgnj   I think the crank trigger would be better as wel...   Oct 7 2016, 10:13 AM
Java2570   I've been talking to Mario @ Dubshop about doi...   Oct 7 2016, 07:44 AM
Mblizzard   Ok let’s be clear. I am not no wiring expert...   Oct 7 2016, 09:59 AM
N_Jay   Ok let’s be clear. I am not no wiring expert...   Oct 7 2016, 10:03 AM
Mblizzard   Ok let’s be clear. I am not no wiring expert...   Oct 7 2016, 11:32 AM
N_Jay   [quote name='N_Jay' post='2408496' date='Oct 7 20...   Oct 7 2016, 11:46 AM
Dtjaden   [quote name='Mblizzard' post='2408534' date='Oct ...   Oct 7 2016, 12:28 PM
N_Jay   [quote name='Mblizzard' post='2408534' date='Oct...   Oct 7 2016, 01:19 PM
Dtjaden   The crankshaft trigger wheel, either the DubShop...   Oct 7 2016, 11:13 AM
N_Jay   Maybe I am not picturing it correctly, but how doe...   Oct 7 2016, 11:20 AM
jd74914   Maybe I am not picturing it correctly, but how do...   Oct 7 2016, 11:26 AM
Mblizzard   Maybe I am not picturing it correctly, but how d...   Oct 7 2016, 11:31 AM
N_Jay   Maybe I am not picturing it correctly, but how d...   Oct 7 2016, 11:59 AM
cgnj   Maybe I am not picturing it correctly, but how do...   Oct 7 2016, 11:59 AM
jcd914   From a MegaSquirt manual: "Injectors are eith...   Oct 7 2016, 01:24 PM
Mblizzard   From a MegaSquirt manual: "Injectors are eit...   Oct 7 2016, 04:12 PM
Dtjaden   I appreciate all of the intelectual comments. I am...   Oct 7 2016, 02:12 PM
N_Jay   I appreciate all of the intelectual comments. I a...   Oct 7 2016, 02:57 PM
Mark Henry   I appreciate all of the intelectual comments. I ...   Oct 7 2016, 03:57 PM
N_Jay   I see where the manual talks about the resistors...   Oct 8 2016, 07:13 AM
Dtjaden   I appreciate all of the intelectual comments. I ...   Oct 7 2016, 05:10 PM
N_Jay   [quote name='N_Jay' post='2408588' date='Oct 7 20...   Oct 8 2016, 07:20 AM
Mblizzard   I appreciate all of the intelectual comments. I a...   Oct 7 2016, 04:54 PM
Dtjaden   I appreciate all of the intelectual comments. I ...   Oct 7 2016, 05:11 PM
Mblizzard   [quote name='Mblizzard' post='2408640' date='Oct ...   Oct 7 2016, 05:25 PM
Mblizzard   [quote name='Mblizzard' post='2408640' date='Oct...   Oct 8 2016, 06:41 AM
N_Jay   Ok still thinking about the placement of the res...   Oct 8 2016, 07:30 AM
Dtjaden   Blizzard - what are you doing for A/C on your car....   Oct 7 2016, 05:13 PM
Mblizzard   Blizzard - what are you doing for A/C on your car...   Oct 7 2016, 05:28 PM
Phoenix914   Since my engine is out, I'm thinking it would ...   Oct 8 2016, 08:37 AM
stugray   Since my engine is out, I'm thinking it would...   Oct 8 2016, 09:15 AM
Dtjaden   Since my engine is out, I'm thinking it woul...   Oct 8 2016, 09:31 AM
N_Jay   And having a capacitor installed across the coi...   Oct 8 2016, 01:12 PM
Phoenix914   Since my engine is out, I'm thinking it woul...   Oct 8 2016, 01:17 PM
Mark Henry   You guys are really over thinking this stuff....   Oct 8 2016, 09:19 AM
stugray   You guys are really over thinking this stuff.... ...   Oct 8 2016, 09:31 AM
Dtjaden   Good Job. I used to take my 914 on long trips re...   Oct 8 2016, 09:29 AM
McMark   Seriously. Low impedance injectors need a resisto...   Oct 8 2016, 10:56 AM
Mblizzard   Seriously. Low impedance injectors need a resist...   Oct 8 2016, 01:10 PM
Mblizzard   I know some of the discussion may seem trivial to ...   Oct 8 2016, 01:10 PM
jcd914   I know some of the discussion may seem trivial to...   Oct 8 2016, 03:08 PM
cgnj   Hi, waited till I had something of value to add.Gr...   Oct 10 2016, 11:50 AM
Mblizzard   Hi, waited till I had something of value to add.G...   Oct 10 2016, 12:23 PM
N_Jay   Is anyone using a MAF sensor or an O2 sensor with ...   Oct 10 2016, 04:54 PM
Mueller   Is anyone using a MAF sensor or an O2 sensor with...   Oct 10 2016, 10:04 PM
jd74914   [quote name='N_Jay' post='2409688' date='Oct 10 2...   Oct 11 2016, 05:57 AM
3 Pages V  1 2 3 >


Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 



- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 19th April 2024 - 12:36 PM