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MikeInMunich
post Oct 10 2016, 02:46 AM
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Hi again from Munich!

Here are the details. But please see update from Feb. 5th below!

I have a D-Jetronic intake. Under load and at about 2800 RPM Im experiencing an intermittent hesitation. Yesterday my son and I took the car out for a drive from Munich, towards Innsbruck and back and we ran into a bit of rain coming along the Aachensee (lake), and this hesitation got worse. Then I remembered the only other time I've had this car out with 100% humidity and that it wasn't running well on that day either, so this is apparently a clue.

So what can this be? And why does it happen at all, even when it's not raining, albeit not as noticeably? Is there a cure?

Experts / senior gurus out there, thank you for your time and sharing your knowledge and experience, in advance!

With kind regards,

Mike in Munich
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The "AT idle" is determined by the idle contacts in the throttle position switch. If they are closed, the knob will have a small effect on the mixture. If those contacts are not closed, the knob should have no effect.

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post Feb 15 2017, 05:23 PM
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Hi Dave,

thanks for chiming in again here. I've read through Brad's work on Rennlist at least 5 times over the past few months and am at it again. I currently have FIVE AAR valves here, at least three of which I've had an employee (bike mechanic) of mine open up and clean / restore. It seems like none of them are open when cold. The car idles, somewhat roughly but not stalling, around 1000 RPM but not where it belongs, like at 1600. According to Brad on Rennlist, iirc, the extra air has no effect on the idle speed if the mixture is too lean. So my next test will be to turn the knob on the ECU all the way clockwise and see if the car 1) idles higher when cold and 2) if the hesitation is lessened.

Since the CHTS has to do with heat, resistance and mixture, and the problem is going away almost entirely when the engine is fully warm, im thinking it has to do with the mixture and the CHTS. I'm also checking tomorrow if this sensor is actually the one that belongs with the ECU I have. One of them has a Resistance of just 1100 Ohms at ambient temperature and another is well over 2000. I've got the one that's over 2k but I'm not sure at the moment if that's the one that belongs with this system.

I will continue to update until this issue is solved!

Brad, if you're reading this, thanks for all your info. Your sheet on the D Jetronic on Rennlist is legendary. By the way, this 1.7 engine was expanded to 1996 cc or whatever, just under 2ltr. The cam is stock. Ignition is electronic. Fuel pressure is 29 psi. Injectors, wires, plugs, all new. I will check the grounds and use the Ohm meter here and there and report back again.

Thanks gentlemen.

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MikeInMunich   Diagnosing an intermittent D-Jet problem...   Oct 10 2016, 02:46 AM
The Cabinetmaker   First suspect would be the tps adjustment. Usually...   Oct 10 2016, 09:54 AM
MikeInMunich   Hmmm. A mechanic had checked that here just a few ...   Oct 10 2016, 10:18 AM
MikeInMunich   First suspect would be the tps adjustment. Usuall...   Dec 7 2016, 01:27 AM
RobW   Dads car had the same kind of RPM hesitation back ...   Oct 10 2016, 10:02 AM
MikeInMunich   Thanks, I'll check that out. Good tip.   Oct 10 2016, 10:16 AM
MikeInMunich   :beer2:   Oct 10 2016, 10:17 AM
914_teener   Mike..... Here would be my thoughts and in this o...   Oct 10 2016, 11:52 AM
MikeInMunich   Mike..... Here would be my thoughts and in this ...   Oct 10 2016, 01:07 PM
MikeInMunich   Mike..... Here would be my thoughts and in this ...   Oct 11 2016, 12:01 AM
914_teener   mark at 914 rubber sells the boards...IIRC That.s...   Oct 10 2016, 01:10 PM
MikeInMunich   mark at 914 rubber sells the boards...IIRC That....   Oct 10 2016, 01:14 PM
pbanders   Hi again from Munich! Here are the details. ...   Oct 10 2016, 02:18 PM
socal1200r   We just had a discussion among us so-called ...   Oct 11 2016, 11:04 AM
Dave_Darling   Worth double-checking all the electrical connectio...   Oct 10 2016, 04:54 PM
mepstein   Worth double-checking all the electrical connecti...   Dec 7 2016, 09:12 AM
BeatNavy   First of all, I agree with DD - check your electri...   Oct 11 2016, 04:03 AM
MikeInMunich   Checked the CHTS connection...seemed to be OK, BUT...   Oct 11 2016, 09:28 AM
BeatNavy   Checked the CHTS connection...seemed to be OK, BU...   Oct 11 2016, 10:56 AM
MikeInMunich   I don't think that had anything to do with th...   Oct 11 2016, 11:30 AM
BeatNavy   There's a hole in the engine tin next where th...   Oct 11 2016, 11:11 AM
MikeInMunich   Tested CHTS, <300 Ohms when warm. Approx. 2000 ...   Oct 13 2016, 01:10 AM
MikeInMunich   Is this a clue? Driving this evening, with a fault...   Oct 13 2016, 11:33 AM
pbanders   Still sounds like an intermittent contact issue. ...   Dec 7 2016, 08:07 AM
StratPlayer   I was having that problem,,,hesitation,,,,, I just...   Dec 8 2016, 11:21 AM
MikeInMunich   I was having that problem,,,hesitation,,,,, I jus...   Dec 9 2016, 02:23 AM
pbanders   More ignition checks: Verify that your vacuum adva...   Dec 8 2016, 07:10 PM
MikeInMunich   Hi Brad, thanks for all your advice. I will be loo...   Dec 9 2016, 02:27 AM
socal1200r   Hi Brad, thanks for all your advice. I will be lo...   Dec 9 2016, 06:04 AM
Matty900   Gary Cotton did 2 great videos on this. Part 1 htt...   Dec 9 2016, 08:20 AM
MikeInMunich   Thanks again guys! Huge help!! Have a...   Dec 9 2016, 08:45 AM
MikeInMunich   Update, edited! Unfortunately I don't tru...   Feb 5 2017, 12:55 PM
Bob L.   Update, edited! ... Also, when the engine is...   Feb 15 2017, 09:41 AM
Jeff Bowlsby   The ECU knob is a fine adjustment to fuel mixture ...   Feb 15 2017, 09:50 AM
MikeInMunich   :bump: Seeking expert's feedback on D Jet Prob...   Feb 14 2017, 01:58 PM
914_teener   So did you do everything Brad noted? I would sugg...   Feb 14 2017, 02:38 PM
MikeInMunich   So did you do everything Brad noted? I would sug...   Feb 14 2017, 03:28 PM
914_teener   So did you do everything Brad noted? I would su...   Feb 14 2017, 04:01 PM
MikeInMunich   If you have checked everything he posted........i...   Feb 15 2017, 01:36 AM
MikeInMunich   Update: Disconnected the TPS today and tested...Pr...   Feb 15 2017, 01:50 AM
Dave_Darling   The "AT idle" is determined by the idle ...   Feb 15 2017, 02:09 PM
MikeInMunich   Hi Dave, thanks for chiming in again here. I...   Feb 15 2017, 05:23 PM
914_teener   Shiza Mike! That is an important detail. Gues...   Feb 15 2017, 09:45 PM
MikeInMunich   Update!! Interesting "insight"? ...   Apr 2 2017, 04:08 AM
MikeInMunich   Problem solved, it was the air temp sensor! A...   Jun 25 2017, 03:30 AM


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