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> BUILD-OFF CHALLENGE: Tygaboy's '75 LS3, It seemed a good idea at the time...
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post Oct 12 2017, 06:13 PM
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Then I got started on the MadDog Motorsports front sway bar stiffening plate install.
I removed the brake hose tab and all the factory paint/undercoat. Exciting, I know...

Next, it's mock it all up and drill the holes for the sway bar/mounting plate.


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post Oct 12 2017, 06:51 PM
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Just weld the plate on and use it as your guide. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) BTW, I still add a nut plate to the back side.

Do yourself a huge favor unless your box section is cut and don't do it. Brad's Kit is so nice, I will never cut another 914 box section again.

Since you have the MadDogg mount, just weld a nut to the lower bolt hole. Then make a bracket with two nuts for the top, and weld them inside. In reality you most likely could just weld all three mounting holes with a nut on the back side, drill your holes and weld it on.

I love to weld, so I'll go with the welding sandwich (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)
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post Oct 12 2017, 07:15 PM
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Stephen -
Yep, I used Brad's kit on my '74 and it was really nice.I have the MadDog triangle mount with the nuts welded on all three corners. I was going to cut it down to make it like Brad's. Easy peasy, as they say.
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post Oct 13 2017, 12:44 PM
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Before I try and button up things like that gap in the rear floor/jack triangle, I need to be sure all other "major" stuff is in place.
Today, it's establishing the relocated seat belt retractor mounts. These have to be moved due to where I routed the upper portion of the door bars.

And again, more fun due to the custom lower firewall:

In order to function correctly, the seat belt retractor mechanism MUST sit exactly upright. Well, my fancy fire wall isn't straight up and down. I moved the lower cross bar forward to be sure I had plenty of clearance for the engine damper.

So, a bit of notching here, a but of fitting there and the passenger side is mocked in.
Hard to tell from that first pic but the other support really does lean back.

I still have to fab a threaded boss for the retractor to bolt to. I'm thinking it'll be a blind tapped boss that's plug welded from the back side of this brace then welded all around the front side.

The good news is the fact that the retractor is recessed into the firewall. This means there's room for the seats to slide back. Best of all, the chrome belt guide that mounts behind the retractor comes forward just the right amount that the belt nicely clears the upper fire wall cross bar!

I love it when a plan comes together. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)


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post Oct 13 2017, 03:40 PM
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Completed the driver side mock up.
I'll do the threaded bung work on the bench then install these supports in the chassis.

While I was at it, I finished up the rosette welding on those door bar verticals' support pads. Just didn't get a pic of that today.


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post Oct 14 2017, 03:46 PM
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Back to installing the front sway bar mounting points. I went with the Elephant Racing bladed adjustable sway bar. It's big - just under 1.5" OD. That's the Elephant backing plate along side the MadDog reinforcement plate.

Nothing the 1.5" hole saw can't handle. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif)


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post Oct 14 2017, 05:31 PM
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That really is a big hole. I'd say anyone thinking of going with this sway bar really should add the MadDog sway bar reinforcement kit.

And I hogged out the lower hole to account for the welded-on-bolt approach vs cutting the inner sheet metal.


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post Oct 14 2017, 05:45 PM
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Modified passenger reinforcement plate with 1.5" hole and welded on lower nut vs standard.


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post Oct 14 2017, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(tygaboy @ Oct 14 2017, 05:45 PM) *

Modified passenger reinforcement plate with 1.5" hole and welded on lower nut vs standard.


Hey Chris, keep up the good work! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) I hope you're safe from all the fires out there.
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post Oct 15 2017, 01:26 AM
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Thats about the size hole I drilled for my nascar sway bar! I didnt mount it via the inner fender though. Good work as usual (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Are you going to leave the jack pads as is? I have found them weak from the factory and a bit oddly shaped i think a deep V or a square tube would be better for jack stands or lifting the car up on a jack. Just saying your doing all these other awesome mods. Oh and consider a center jack point on the front firewall. I used that when lowering the car into position for the engine fitting and found there really wasnt enough support and crushed some steel a bit. Nothing I really care about just something I plan on reinforcing in the future for better use.
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post Oct 15 2017, 11:36 AM
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Finished all the needed mods and got things positioned for the driver side. Here's just a set up shot of how I used the templates to determine where to drill all the holes:
- trim the template
- to set the height, measure down 1/2" from the top of the inner part of the indent and scribe a line
- measure the width at the bottom of the indent, mark the middle
- use a level and scribe a vertical center line
- tape the template in place (the angle of the camera makes it look like things aren't quite lined up...)
- mark where to drill the holes (I use a spring loaded center punch)
- drill and hole saw accordingly


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post Oct 15 2017, 11:37 AM
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Artsy-fartsy shot through one hole looking to the one on the other side.


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post Oct 15 2017, 11:41 AM
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Here's the Elephant backer plate, trimmed to work with the welded on lower nut approach.
Rather than cut the backer plate so it sits just above that step in the sheet metal, I've started notching the back side. You can see I still have some tweaking to do to get it to lay down flat. I figured leaving this so it fully wraps around the bar will add just that much more strength to the area.

Almost ready for final welding of all this! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif)


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post Oct 15 2017, 05:19 PM
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I have so many things to get to...
I had to move some parts around and ended up getting distracted by the front bumper. I need to ventilate it and have been thinking about various designs.
This one has a couple significant dents in it so I figured I'd use it to practice.

I don't know what size opening I need but I wanted something more aggressive looking than the traditional GT look. So I started with this:
- wider, taller and with a bit of a taper

I may go a bit wider but I'll wait til I get it back on the car to make that decision.

Essentially, I'm headed toward the look in the 2nd pic. Pardon my usual MS Paint hack (especially if it's your car!)


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Bumper looks good. Should be enough flow, especially if you duct the exhaust.
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post Oct 16 2017, 07:48 AM
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QUOTE(Andyrew @ Oct 15 2017, 05:41 PM) *

Bumper looks good. Should be enough flow, especially if you duct the exhaust.


Andrew - I'm planning the traditional "vent out the inner fender wells" approach - vs through the hood.

Is there some equation for sq. inches of grill opening to sq. inches of the outlets that I should be leveraging?
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post Oct 16 2017, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(tygaboy @ Oct 16 2017, 06:48 AM) *

QUOTE(Andyrew @ Oct 15 2017, 05:41 PM) *

Bumper looks good. Should be enough flow, especially if you duct the exhaust.


Andrew - I'm planning the traditional "vent out the inner fender wells" approach - vs through the hood.

Is there some equation for sq. inches of grill opening to sq. inches of the outlets that I should be leveraging?

Outlets need to be at least 20% larger to accommodate heat expansion of the cooling air.

You do some awesome work.
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I planned for 50% larger. Also when I mean duct I meant similar to what Kent just did, forcing the air to go where you want and separating it.
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post Oct 17 2017, 10:42 AM
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My former neighbor, vehicle designer and race car aero consultant, told me the general rule is 1.7x intake area. It does however, depend on the characteristics of the exhaust placement/configuration. The whole concept has to do with pressure differential, exhaust has to be in a lower pressure zone than the intake. Since the thru-wheel well exhaust has been done for a long time (mature technology), I'd go with what has worked in the past. BIGCAT has used a smaller than normal intake with great success; might give him a shout.

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post Oct 17 2017, 11:24 AM
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Your car is going to be crazy fast. Is the downforce difference between wheel well exit vs hood exit something to consider?
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