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> Left Side Ignition, converting your dash
McMark
post Nov 25 2016, 11:52 AM
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About a year ago I struck a deal with Pete at Restoration Design to start reproducing the 914-6 dash piece. I gave him a discount on a fuel injection system in trade for the die development costs. He finished these up awhile ago, and they're now available on his web site. But it wasn't until now that I had time to install one. It's a pretty easy process that I'll detail here.

Here's the repalcement piece from RD. I intended the design to be cut apart and not installed as one piece. The idea is that you can mark the lock section and cut it out. And then what you're left with is the new piece and a template to mark the location where the new piece goes. The switch 'bump' and the little notch at the bottom of the dash are the alignment markers. It's not idiot proof though, so measure twice and cut once.

Marking where I want the cuts.
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Precision cutoff wheel work. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sunglasses.gif)
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Template in place to mark dash for cutting.
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More precision surgery. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)
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Replacement piece fits in the hole.
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I TIG welded it, but MIG works fine. Go slow, take brakes. Heat is the enemy.Attached Image

Grind and smooth to a no-filler needed finish.
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All in all, it took me almost exactly 2 hours to install the piece. It's lined up perfectly with the other holes and it's ready for install.

I can do these for $200, send your dash to me and I'll convert it. This one isn't spoken for, but I'm saving first right of refusal for Rob (ConeDodger) since last I heard he wanted a left ignition. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)
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post Dec 20 2016, 05:34 PM
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Mark 1stly apologies for the hijack. I was thinking of pulling the column parts I have been piecing together for my six & photograph them for posterity with all the talk of column conversions and thought it would be better to keep it with other conversion info

Harpo pinged me the other night to post some info, so here goes

These are the bits that if you are going to do a column conversion you need to get together. The parts in the photo would suit all years except the fact that the early cars (-4 and -6) had the smaller mounting plate fitted to the column tube, if you have a later car and converting a 911 tube, as Mark states, you need to use the later mount plate. If you have an early car you need to fabricate the small mounting plate. I will take dims and post in this thread

Missing from the picture is the steering wheel washer, rubber isolation pad (NLA) that goes between column tube and mounting plate and front column tube bearing, apart from those I think it's all there

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There are a number of excellent conversion threads on this site about to go about the conversion. The major hurdles to get it to function and 'look right' (until now) were the upper and lower covers, the eyebrow covers that close the gap to the dash frame itself, ignition bezel (still an issue) and of course Mark's & RD's super hard to hand fabricate ignition dimple. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smiley_notworthy.gif)

I started down the 911 column conversion route while I hunted for genuine used and NOS six parts. Info I have found out along the way through reading the threads and background research;

As others have stated the best way to start is with as a complete 911 column and switches & lock etc as possible, this is definitely the least cost route

Column tube itself is exactly the same as a long wheelbase pre impact bumper 911 unit with the exception of the U shape ignition lock thing. The 914-6 tube has the U shape doodahh welded on 180 out to clear a bolt hole in the small plate - no biggie just makes assembly slightly more fiddly I would imagine. For a later car, I would imagine that there is lots of clearance

If using a later lock, again as members have stated you need to trim down the end of the lock to fit the early column tube, again there are posts with the required dims, but I can't find it right now

Tube spline shaft, rear bearings, horn ring, horn contact, misc fixing screws are all 911 parts. PET however does list the 914-6 front bearing and spring that sits against the bearing as distinctly different part numbers to the 911 parts. The spring in the picture (hard to see as it is from above) is actually 911 item & I have looked at both my 911 tube and complete 914-6 tube and I cannot see an obvious difference in the front bearing

Bearings are still available (super expensive so don't bugger yours up), as is the 914-6 spring (I'm going to order one as it is a low cost item) / have a genuine column and front bearing - just in case. If there is a difference I will update once I have it in my hand

I found by chance that the cheese head screws which mount the ignition switch to the lock and column switches to tube are the same as 2" round electrical conduit box cover screws, this probably helps those in Europe save some dimes, but not US members being generally imperial thread in construction- sorry. Correct finish for screws, washers etc is gold passivate

If you have your original -4 wheel you'll need to purchase the horn cancellation ring / remove the -4 rear assembly. The cancel ring, new horn contact pin is available from SMadre and others

I ran out of power in the phone tonight to document, but 914-6 and 911 wiper switches are basically the same (round 6 connector) and when I pinned them out they also seemed to be electrically the same (only 5 pins used out of the 6).

Direction indicator switch is different, but principally it's the loom - flash function? 914-6 has a single rectangular plug, 911 item has the loom split to two plugs. It really only matters if you have a genuine -6 loom. If converting you would just cut and splice

Part number stamping on the arm is different and only matters if you are being anal and have a genuine car

Splined shaft that mounts up to the rear of the column and over to the rack is also different depending on year and model. The good news is that with the majority of cars being post 72 that shaft is the same part number as a -6. If you have an early -4 you need to acquire the later shaft - which lets face it is not going to be hard

Will post more pics of the switches etc & dims of the small plate tomorrow but also try and get a CAD file sorted by my guy at work (maybe the new year now)

I know you will but, if I'm out of line with any details please step in to correct

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McMark   Left Side Ignition   Nov 25 2016, 11:52 AM
Mueller   Neat!   Nov 25 2016, 11:59 AM
jim_hoyland   Which bezel will fit in the depression ? And you ...   Nov 25 2016, 02:15 PM
McMark   The original 914-6 bezel isn't available. But...   Nov 25 2016, 02:22 PM
Mark Henry   I had this part in my hand...maybe even that actua...   Nov 25 2016, 02:31 PM
mb911   I plan to do this at some point.. I need so many o...   Nov 25 2016, 02:57 PM
mepstein   I plan to do this at some point.. I need so many ...   Nov 25 2016, 04:17 PM
mb911   I plan to do this at some point.. I need so many...   Nov 25 2016, 05:02 PM
Krieger   Nice work Mark! Great planning for an easy in...   Nov 25 2016, 04:47 PM
jim_hoyland   Mark,. Would you post a pic with the ignition inse...   Nov 25 2016, 05:16 PM
McMark   Sunday will be the soonest I can. But no problem.   Nov 25 2016, 05:41 PM
ConeDodger   I want it! >:D   Nov 25 2016, 09:29 PM
jim_hoyland   I want it! >:D Are going to do the full...   Nov 26 2016, 06:02 PM
ConeDodger   I want it! >:D Are going to do the ful...   Nov 26 2016, 07:01 PM
jim_hoyland   I want it! >:D Are going to do the full...   Nov 26 2016, 06:02 PM
Harpo   Very nicely done Mark   Nov 26 2016, 07:10 AM
sixaddict   Mark: Is there any difference in the dash (70/71) ...   Nov 26 2016, 08:06 AM
mepstein   Mark: Is there any difference in the dash (70/71)...   Nov 26 2016, 09:44 AM
sixaddict   Mark: Is there any difference in the dash (70/71...   Nov 26 2016, 10:38 AM
McMark   [quote name='mepstein' post='2427500' date='Nov 2...   Nov 26 2016, 02:15 PM
McMark   Mark: Is there any difference in the dash (70/71)...   Nov 26 2016, 02:12 PM
396   Congrats with getting this part recreated. I gues...   Nov 26 2016, 08:51 AM
mb911   Congrats with getting this part recreated. I gue...   Nov 26 2016, 09:01 AM
mepstein   Congrats with getting this part recreated. I gu...   Nov 26 2016, 09:54 AM
Mark Henry   Could someone make a list of the parts needed to d...   Nov 26 2016, 09:31 AM
Larmo63   I found this older 911 switch and thought it might...   Nov 26 2016, 12:06 PM
jim_hoyland   I found this older 911 switch and thought it migh...   Nov 26 2016, 06:04 PM
tweet   I found this older 911 switch and thought it mig...   Jan 9 2017, 09:06 PM
McMark   Dash escutcheon picture. Apparently AutoAtlanta ...   Nov 26 2016, 02:20 PM
396   Dash escutcheon picture. Apparently AutoAtlanta...   Nov 26 2016, 07:47 PM
McMark   Quick question, how were you able to locate this ...   Nov 27 2016, 03:33 PM
396   Quick question, how were you able to locate this...   Nov 27 2016, 07:22 PM
Larmo63   It has a Porsche key in it. I'll use that. Thi...   Nov 26 2016, 06:19 PM
jim_hoyland   It has a Porsche key in it. I'll use that. Th...   Nov 26 2016, 06:25 PM
McMark   Here ya' go...   Nov 27 2016, 03:31 PM
Steve   Curious Mark... what if we do not want the expens...   Nov 27 2016, 04:36 PM
jim_hoyland   Curious Mark... what if we do not want the expen...   Nov 27 2016, 04:53 PM
jim_hoyland   Found it; only $29.95......yikes :blink:   Nov 27 2016, 08:36 PM
rick 918-S   Mark, there is a washer that goes on before the sh...   Nov 28 2016, 05:31 AM
McMark   Mark, there is a washer that goes on before the s...   Nov 28 2016, 09:11 AM
Harpo   Mark, there is a washer that goes on before the ...   Jan 16 2017, 09:34 AM
sixnotfour   its the same as the same year 911, but the PN is s...   Nov 28 2016, 11:00 AM
jim_hoyland   its the same as the same year 911, but the PN is ...   Nov 28 2016, 11:32 AM
tweet   its the same as the same year 911, but the PN is ...   Jan 9 2017, 09:20 PM
McMark   Yup, in the following order... Ignition Switch ...   Nov 28 2016, 01:19 PM
sixnotfour   Nice job McMark, :beer2: uneducated viewer , ya ...   Dec 1 2016, 11:02 AM
Harpo   What year 911 column do I need for this conversion...   Dec 3 2016, 08:46 PM
McMark   Only early cars and real 914-6 steering column wil...   Dec 4 2016, 11:01 AM
sixnotfour   911 columns 69-73   Dec 4 2016, 01:25 PM
Harpo   911 columns 69-73 Just in case anyone was wonde...   Jan 16 2017, 06:25 AM
jim_hoyland   [quote name='sixnotfour' post='2430287' date='Dec...   Jan 16 2017, 07:35 AM
Mark Henry   [quote name='sixnotfour' post='2430287' date='Dec...   Jan 17 2017, 09:54 PM
mb911   [quote name='sixnotfour' post='2430287' date='De...   Jan 18 2017, 06:16 AM
Steve   What if you don't care about the column switch...   Dec 4 2016, 02:04 PM
jim_hoyland   What if you don't care about the column switc...   Dec 4 2016, 02:14 PM
jim_hoyland   What if you don't care about the column switc...   Dec 5 2016, 05:19 PM
tweet   What if you don't care about the column swit...   Jan 9 2017, 09:38 PM
McMark   Yup, absolutely.   Dec 5 2016, 08:05 AM
SixerJ   Mark 1stly apologies for the hijack. I was thinkin...   Dec 20 2016, 05:34 PM
rhodyguy   Is there a desired plastic 'cup' on the ba...   Dec 20 2016, 07:44 PM
mepstein   Is there a desired plastic 'cup' on the b...   Dec 20 2016, 08:18 PM
SixerJ   More pictures Wiper stalk switches, from Right to...   Dec 21 2016, 06:38 AM
SixerJ   More I have figured out that there is indeed a di...   Dec 21 2016, 06:48 AM
McMark   This is turning into a great overall how-to thread...   Dec 21 2016, 06:58 AM
Mark Henry   I'm seeing two ways, a no lock with what looks...   Dec 21 2016, 07:53 AM
SixerJ   I'm seeing two ways, a no lock with what look...   Dec 21 2016, 08:37 AM
Harpo   Here is my diy 914-6 column   Dec 21 2016, 09:22 PM
gereed75   Mark, do you have any of the replacement bearing ...   Dec 22 2016, 07:32 AM
McMark   Gotta look if I still have my shim information or ...   Dec 22 2016, 01:08 PM
gereed75   Gotta look if I still have my shim information or...   Dec 22 2016, 01:18 PM
mepstein   Gotta look if I still have my shim information or...   Dec 22 2016, 01:19 PM
Harpo   Mark I would be interested in your bearing fix as ...   Jan 10 2017, 07:33 PM
Niklas   Do we have Porsche part no for all the parts neede...   Dec 22 2016, 01:33 PM
BuddyV   "Escutcheon"..... :) Only other time ...   Dec 22 2016, 09:17 PM
Harpo   I like trim ring, I can actually spell that   Dec 23 2016, 05:21 PM
Larmo63   BTW, I have two of theses ignition switches. I...   Jan 10 2017, 12:42 AM
McMark   I kinda thought so. Have one sitting here for you...   Jan 11 2017, 06:41 AM
McMark   The 914-6 steel column (steel tube portion) is abo...   Jan 16 2017, 08:09 AM
Harpo   Certainly not perfect but it will work in the shor...   Jan 16 2017, 01:10 PM
mb911   How come the -6 dash as such a deep recess versus ...   Jan 16 2017, 04:10 PM
Harpo   I believe it has to do with the angle of the dash.   Jan 16 2017, 04:31 PM
mb911   I believe it has to do with the angle of the dash...   Jan 16 2017, 05:36 PM
Mark Henry   That's why I'm asking if you can just fab ...   Jan 18 2017, 07:39 AM
mb911   That's why I'm asking if you can just fab...   Jan 18 2017, 03:03 PM
tweet   Hello All, We are trying to date when certain chan...   Jan 20 2017, 11:55 AM
SixerJ   Hello All, We are trying to date when certain cha...   Jan 21 2017, 01:44 AM
Harpo   I'm sure that it can be converted especially s...   Jan 20 2017, 07:34 PM
Mark Henry   Just got a deal on a 69-73 column from my buddy wh...   Jan 21 2017, 06:54 PM
mb911   Just got a deal on a 69-73 column from my buddy w...   Jan 22 2017, 07:29 AM
Mark Henry   Only thing is the switch doesn't have keys, ...   Jan 31 2017, 04:03 PM
Mark Henry   Thanks Ben. :wavebye:   Jan 22 2017, 08:15 AM
mb911   Thanks Ben. :wavebye: Np.. If you need pictur...   Jan 22 2017, 09:05 AM
Mark Henry   Here's my collection so far : I just got the i...   Jan 28 2017, 08:33 AM
mb911   If you flip the switch with the key portion facing...   Jan 28 2017, 08:54 AM
Mark Henry   If you flip the switch with the key portion facin...   Jan 28 2017, 08:59 AM
mb911   If you flip the switch with the key portion faci...   Jan 28 2017, 09:08 AM
Harpo   Mark, mine were the same way. Mine came right out...   Jan 28 2017, 12:09 PM
Mark Henry   Mark, mine were the same way. Mine came right ou...   Jan 28 2017, 11:38 PM
Larmo63   I have a couple of early ignition switches for sal...   Jan 28 2017, 02:17 PM
Harpo   It appears that the 914 & 911 column are very ...   Feb 19 2017, 10:06 AM
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