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| iansale |
 Jun 25 2003, 08:04 PM
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Newbie  Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 12-June 03 From: Havertown, PA Member No.: 810  |
Has anyone seen a diagram as to what the center tunnel is supposed to look like? The clutch tube is pulled through the firewall and laying loose in the tunnel and I'm trying to figure out what to do. I have no clue what it is supposed to look like, so am having a little trouble developing a strategy.
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| drew365 |
Jun 25 2003, 09:49 PM
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These are the good old days! Group: Members Posts: 2,004 Joined: 29-December 02 From: Sunny So. Cal. Member No.: 37 |
You will need to strip your carpet off the center tunnel, you might as well take the seats out to give yourself room to work. There is an access panel at the rear of the top of the tunnel that will let you get at the clutch tube where it connects to the firewall. It will need to be welded back in place. The front weld is probably broken also. You'll need to cut an access door just in front of the shifter to weld that back in place. Here is a pic of the access hole I cut with a Dremel on three sides, folded it up and then screwed it back in place when I was done.
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| drew365 |
Jun 25 2003, 09:50 PM
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These are the good old days! Group: Members Posts: 2,004 Joined: 29-December 02 From: Sunny So. Cal. Member No.: 37 |
A close up
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| drew365 |
Jun 25 2003, 09:52 PM
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These are the good old days! Group: Members Posts: 2,004 Joined: 29-December 02 From: Sunny So. Cal. Member No.: 37 |
Sorry,
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| iansale |
Jun 26 2003, 04:51 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 12-June 03 From: Havertown, PA Member No.: 810 |
Thanks, Drew! I don't suppose you have a picture of what the engine-side of the firewall looks like after the weld job, do you?
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| drew365 |
Jun 26 2003, 08:28 AM
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These are the good old days! Group: Members Posts: 2,004 Joined: 29-December 02 From: Sunny So. Cal. Member No.: 37 |
Mine wasn't broken at the firewall so I don't have any pics of that area. I tried a search here using clutch tube but didn't get much. I think if you try a search on Pelican you'll get a few threads that will help. Or maybe some of our senior citizens here will help a newbie out.
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| SirAndy |
Jun 26 2003, 11:37 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,634 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
the weld is right here ...
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| iansale |
Jun 26 2003, 07:54 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 21 Joined: 12-June 03 From: Havertown, PA Member No.: 810 |
Thanks, guys. I might finally have an excuse to buy that welder I've had my eye on in the Grainger catalog!
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| ChrisFoley |
Jun 26 2003, 08:07 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,924 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None 
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The factory brazed the tube to the firewall, and to the tab inside the tunnel. Less chance of a weld booger inside the tube from overpenetration that way.
If you try to weld where there is any residual braze the weld will be no good. |
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| crash914 |
Jun 27 2003, 05:17 AM
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its a mystery to me Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 17-March 03 From: Marriottsville, MD Member No.: 434 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
If I remember correctly, braze is stronger than a mig weld........You can get a cheep bottle set of O2 and map gas from home depot.........about $60.00...This is what I am planning to do.. at least until I can sneek in a $400.00 mig welder by the wife...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/splat.gif)
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| JWest |
Jun 27 2003, 07:15 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,662 Joined: 6-January 03 From: Fort Worth, TX Member No.: 97 Region Association: None
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Brazing is not stronger that mig. Brazing is more like soldering - the joint is made of weaker brass and the bond is not very strong either.
Mig is steel all the way through - if done correctly the joint is just as strong as the base metal. The risk of penetration and screwing up the tube is a real concern for an amateur welder, though. Brazing (and ending up with a mechanically strong joint) is not exactly easy, though, either. |
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| ChrisFoley |
Jun 27 2003, 08:01 AM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,924 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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Brazing, if done correctly, can easily be stronger when tubing or sheet metal are involved. The main reason is surface area. A small weld with heat stresses at the edges can crack or tear if bending or flexing occur, whereas a brazed joint spreads filler around a relatively large area, minimizing stresses. I would suggest practicing with test samples before tackling the real thing if you don't have much experience brazing. for the bracket in the tunnel it might be worth brazing the bracket to the tube, then mig welding the bracket to the chassis.
One potential downside to using an open flame is the proximity of fuel lines. This should be done while the fuel lines are removed. :kaboom: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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| JWest |
Jun 27 2003, 08:44 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,662 Joined: 6-January 03 From: Fort Worth, TX Member No.: 97 Region Association: None
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Good point Chris. I almost said something about how a mig weld usually fails in the area surrounding the weld if there is any flex in the joint.
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