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Barrett Jackson 914-6 |
rhodyguy |
Jan 24 2017, 12:12 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,061 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
it's the total of the $ you're going to be paying after the hammer drops that is a little alarming. a 10% buyers premium and you're at $99k. now the Washington state 'second sticker'. you're going to endure a 7.3-10.3% sales/use tax dependent upon where you live. not to include any other fees such as title agency, plates and yearly tabs. call it $7.2k using the lower tax rate. $106k after tax dollars. yipes.
what is the scenario with regards the IRS when $90K+ suddenly appears in some account? audit time? |
mepstein |
Jan 24 2017, 12:59 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,239 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
it's the total of the $ you're going to be paying after the hammer drops that is a little alarming. a 10% buyers premium and you're at $99k. now the Washington state 'second sticker'. you're going to endure a 7.3-10.3% sales/use tax dependent upon where you live. not to include any other fees such as title agency, plates and yearly tabs. call it $7.2k using the lower tax rate. $106k after tax dollars. yipes. what is the scenario with regards the IRS when $90K+ suddenly appears in some account? audit time? There are plenty of people with money. Lots of money. I've seen car collections with 30 and 50+ cars and $100k would be on the low end. If they want it, they buy it. A customer just wired $200K to us for an ST replica build. That didn't include the car purchase. |
6freak |
Jan 24 2017, 03:12 PM
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MR.C Group: Members Posts: 4,740 Joined: 19-March 08 From: Tacoma WA Member No.: 8,829 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
it's the total of the $ you're going to be paying after the hammer drops that is a little alarming. a 10% buyers premium and you're at $99k. now the Washington state 'second sticker'. you're going to endure a 7.3-10.3% sales/use tax dependent upon where you live. not to include any other fees such as title agency, plates and yearly tabs. call it $7.2k using the lower tax rate. $106k after tax dollars. yipes. what is the scenario with regards the IRS when $90K+ suddenly appears in some account? audit time? thats why im not going the auction rout......no idea what the tax man would say but Id sure like to find out...maybe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
GeorgeRud |
Jan 24 2017, 03:39 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
If the fellow kept all his parts and labor receipts, I bet he's have a loss deduction he could take if he were in the business. It does bring up an interesting point however regarding taxation on used car sales. Though traditionally the sale of a used car is for less than it's original value, how is it handled in an appreciating asset? Long term capital gain? Where are these sales reported to the IRS?
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boxsterfan |
Jan 24 2017, 03:52 PM
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914's are kewl Group: Members Posts: 1,776 Joined: 6-June 03 From: San Ramon, CA Member No.: 791 Region Association: Northern California |
If money was no object to me (aka Bill Gates level money), I would buy every single 914-6 that is in that condition for $90K. No questions asked.
Unfortunately, money and me....well, we tend to part ways early and often. |
rhodyguy |
Jan 25 2017, 09:53 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,061 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
The documentation from the auction could be problematic when trying to sandbag WA state on the purchase price. 'It was only a 6k car 40 years ago' isn't going to get much traction. Don't know how other states view these types of purchases.
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Mike Fitton |
Jan 25 2017, 10:12 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 609 Joined: 13-May 11 From: Chicago Area Member No.: 13,069 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I think auction sales are treated just like auto dealers so if you are registering the car in the state that the auction is in they collect the sales tax and pay it to the state. Out of state you pay sales tax on the car when you register it in your state. Private party sales are fair market value of the car, you can low ball the figure but if they are on top of it they will contest it. Attached Sales Tax chart for Illinois.
Capital gains for the seller is on his own for reporting but an auction sale is a very public event. RUT_5.pdf ( 34.82k ) Number of downloads: 195 |
mountainroads |
Jan 25 2017, 10:20 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: 19-February 12 From: Seattle Member No.: 14,145 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
what is the scenario with regards the IRS when $90K+ suddenly appears in some account? audit time? I'm no CPA, but I CAN speak from personal experience on this. And, in Wa State, FWIW. Sold early 911E for considerably more than I paid for it due to appreciation. My CPA said "Who the hell sells a used car for more than they paid for it?" Yes, it's reportable and a cap gains hit. I kept every receipt for expenses as deductions against the gain. Unfortunately, you can't count your own labor. Still had to pay tax on net gain (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif). There should be no issues with IRS, assuming funds are legit and traceable. Buyer pays sales tax in Wa. State at time of title transfer. That was also deductible when I bought the car, at least for me. Neither event triggered an audit. - MR |
rhodyguy |
Jan 25 2017, 10:27 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,061 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Also in WA, you take the vehicle to a WSP inspection station. NOT safety related. We don't have that type. Verification of serial/ID #s. Pretty sure there is another fee for that as well. If there's a problem you can't register the car. One car that came up here from cal some years back, a 76' with carbs had earlier #s and perlon glued down in the trunks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) was involved. The guy that boUght the car didn't even try to title it. Poof. It just sort of faded away along with his money.
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mountainroads |
Jan 25 2017, 10:32 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: 19-February 12 From: Seattle Member No.: 14,145 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Also in WA, you take the vehicle to a WSP inspection station. NOT safety related. We don't have that type. Verification of serial/ID #s. Pretty sure there is another fee for that as well. If there's a problem you can't register the car. One car that came up here from cal some years back, a 76' with carbs had earlier #s and perlon glued down in the trunks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) was involved. The guy that boUght the car didn't even try to title it. Poof. It just sort of faded away along with his money. That's an interesting point. Isn't that only if the car comes from out-of-state? I remember doing that for the 914 I bought with Oregon plates, but haven't done that since. - MR |
rhodyguy |
Jan 25 2017, 10:43 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,061 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Oops, forgot to include the out of state purchase aspect, but you're correct. In state purchased cars don't don't have to jump that hoop.
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larryM |
Jan 29 2017, 02:03 PM
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emoze Group: Members Posts: 891 Joined: 1-January 03 From: mid- California Member No.: 65 Region Association: Northern California |
it's the total of the $ you're going to be paying after the hammer drops that is a little alarming. what is the scenario with regards the IRS when $90K+ suddenly appears in some account? audit time? for exactly that reason, i eventually declined a large tempting offer for my car last year - the buyer was a California "collector-dealer" - who would report his cost as his new basis - and was paying by traceable bank transfers IRS Publication 551 is sobering no matter how many old receipts we have - if we are selling as individuals it's a considerable problem - especially with cars that have gone up astronomically in value in the past few yrs & as pointed out above, especially if we did a lot of work ourselves (it's just a hobby, ya' know) the reportable gains hit made my net far too low –I don’t need the money & I still like the car; so instead I decided to get rid of a couple other cars that won’t be a tax problem & spend my waning yrs enjoying just one - maybe someday i can just swap it for something of similar value that i'd enjoy more? i have a friend who deals in hi-$$ US-iron a lot - he only does CASH; and i've subsequently had interest in my car from a similar fellow who said up front - " I bring CASH" (that can be a reason to sell for less than "auction value") - how one gets a lot of cash into one's bank is another matter - the banks have reporting rules to follow, including if they see a whole bunch of "under-$10K" deposits but maybe we can be too paranoid - or maybe we have no choice but to sell (been there....) fwiw - a friend who privately sold a collectible vintage sports racer 2 yrs ago just took & deposited 2 20K payments and nary a thing happened - no IRS, no state taxes, no bank reports, etc ‘way back in time – I used to do “1031 exchange” real estate deals that delayed some problems – but they can be intensely complex, can require multiple parties, and are often scrutinized (google it) . |
larryM |
Jan 29 2017, 03:06 PM
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emoze Group: Members Posts: 891 Joined: 1-January 03 From: mid- California Member No.: 65 Region Association: Northern California |
Back on topic. $90,000 is strong money,. And yes, there are a number of deviations from correct on this car, and there is nothing wrong with someone noting them Congratulations to the seller— it's a beautiful car, obviously built to your satisfaction with the goal of keeping it. yes - there are a helluva lot of "Personalized Porsches" in this world - used to be that it was a mark of some distinction & pride in the Porsche world to improve our cars; make 'em faster, make 'em handle better, upgrade the wheels & tires, make 'em more pleasant to drive, etc - - the Concours/auction-value/"restored-to-originality-appearance" mindset has diminished that (never mind what's really under the skin that cannot be touched with a white gloved finger) value/price depends a whole lot on what one plans to do with the vehicle & what one's chosen social circle is enthusiastic about many of us pride ourselves in owning 914-6s (& 914s) partly due to success in competition - and the factory was openly intent on using that as a marketing tool to sell all models of the car - - imho, nobody in right mind would buy & race a bone stock mechanically- & body- correct 914-6 - they simply were not up to the test e.g., the GT competition cars were improved & modified for good reasons - nary a one ever was "showroom stock" - a few that are arguably "worth" & "cost-to-build" several times the above subject's $90K actually do show up in PCA & major vintage racing venues .... (like RR-V - Gp-3 - SIX of them, any of which one doubts can be had for a paltry $90K if they were offered for sale) . |
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