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> Troubleshooting my electrical issues., My first problem was blinking red light on the dash for brakes
vin man
post Feb 11 2017, 06:08 PM
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Edit: Renamed the thread because what started out as one electrical problem has led to others and I'm hoping to capture all the information in this one thread.

Initial Problem:

When I turn on the 72, the red light on the dash (in the top part of the gauge on the left side of the dash) blinks and won't stop. I've made sure the e-brake is all the way off. I'm wondering where is the switch that controls this light?

I've read that when the brake master cylinder is replaced, there is a switch on the MC that needs to be reset. I used a MC from Rock Auto and there is not reset switch button. Only the electrical switch that activates the brake lights.

I have a brown wire that is connected to nothing in the area of the e-brake handle. I've tried grounding it but the light still blinks on the dash.

Any advice would be appreciated.


Click here for video of the blinking light: Blinking red light

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post Feb 12 2017, 01:58 PM
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You can pull the bulb out to stop the flashing.
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post Feb 12 2017, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE(Spoke @ Feb 12 2017, 12:58 PM) *

You can pull the bulb out to stop the flashing.
will I still hear the clicking of relay?
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post Feb 12 2017, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(vin man @ Feb 12 2017, 04:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Spoke @ Feb 12 2017, 12:58 PM) *

You can pull the bulb out to stop the flashing.
will I still hear the clicking of relay?

The relay will stop flashing when the bulb is removed. See the turnsignal/brake warning schematic below. one of the wires from either the MC switch or the e-brake switch is shorting to chassis. Removing the bulb will break the circuit and the flasher relay will not operate.

This isn't a fix of course because somewhere the wire to the MC switch or e-brake is grounded. When you fix the grounded wire, you can put the bulb back in.

My guess is the brown wire to the e-brake is touching the chassis under the seat or throughout its run to the bulb.


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QUOTE(Spoke @ Feb 12 2017, 04:03 PM) *

QUOTE(vin man @ Feb 12 2017, 04:45 PM) *

QUOTE(Spoke @ Feb 12 2017, 12:58 PM) *

You can pull the bulb out to stop the flashing.
will I still hear the clicking of relay?

The relay will stop flashing when the bulb is removed. See the turnsignal/brake warning schematic below. one of the wires from either the MC switch or the e-brake switch is shorting to chassis. Removing the bulb will break the circuit and the flasher relay will not operate.

This isn't a fix of course because somewhere the wire to the MC switch or e-brake is grounded. When you fix the grounded wire, you can put the bulb back in.

My guess is the brown wire to the e-brake is touching the chassis under the seat or throughout its run to the bulb.


If I do as suggested and remove the bulb, breaking the circuit of the flasher relay - will my turn signals still work? I removed the relay and the turn signals did not work.

I want to fix it properly and find the short, but in the interim, I don't mind pulling the bulb provided I will still have turn signal functionality.

Unfortunately, when it comes to electrical diagrams, I don't comprendo well.
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QUOTE(vin man @ Feb 12 2017, 06:25 PM) *
If I do as suggested and remove the bulb, breaking the circuit of the flasher relay - will my turn signals still work?


Removing the bulb will not affect the turnsignals. Porsche designers had the bright idea to double use the flasher for turnsignals and to flash the brake warning light.

I thought in the first pic the wire to the e-brake switch was disconnected.
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QUOTE(vin man @ Feb 12 2017, 06:25 PM) *
If I do as suggested and remove the bulb, breaking the circuit of the flasher relay - will my turn signals still work?


Removing the bulb will not affect the turnsignals. Porsche designers had the bright idea to double use the flasher for turnsignals and to flash the brake warning light.

I thought in the first pic the wire to the e-brake switch was disconnected.


There is a brown wire with white tracer that is disconnected in the area of the e-brake. But I'm not sure if this is the wire that goes to the e-brake switch. I suspect it is since the same color wire is one of the 2 wires on the master cylinder. But I have not yet verified. I was thinking - since that wire is disconnected and the light still blinking, maybe it is not the e-brake wire, but instead a seat belt sensor wire?

I hope to identify the switch tomorrow eve and confirm that a wire is on it.
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post Feb 13 2017, 05:18 PM
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QUOTE(vin man @ Feb 12 2017, 08:47 PM) *

QUOTE(Spoke @ Feb 12 2017, 05:51 PM) *

QUOTE(vin man @ Feb 12 2017, 06:25 PM) *
If I do as suggested and remove the bulb, breaking the circuit of the flasher relay - will my turn signals still work?


Removing the bulb will not affect the turnsignals. Porsche designers had the bright idea to double use the flasher for turnsignals and to flash the brake warning light.

I thought in the first pic the wire to the e-brake switch was disconnected.


There is a brown wire with white tracer that is disconnected in the area of the e-brake. But I'm not sure if this is the wire that goes to the e-brake switch. I suspect it is since the same color wire is one of the 2 wires on the master cylinder. But I have not yet verified. I was thinking - since that wire is disconnected and the light still blinking, maybe it is not the e-brake wire, but instead a seat belt sensor wire?

I hope to identify the switch tomorrow eve and confirm that a wire is on it.


#1 - pulling the bulb is not the answer. While I no longer get a flashing light on the dash, the flasher relay does make a noise. It flashes much faster - almost sounding like a fuel pump.

#2. There is no switch anyplace near the hand brake that I can find.

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That experiment also didn't work out for the relay. It smoked. Now I need to see if I can find a new one.

Edit: This is the start of problem number 2 - no turn signals or any systems using the flasher.
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vin man   Troubleshooting my electrical issues.   Feb 11 2017, 06:08 PM
Spoke   The brake warning light will flash if the brown wi...   Feb 11 2017, 10:32 PM
vin man   The brake warning light will flash if the brown w...   Feb 11 2017, 10:43 PM
vin man   The brake warning light will flash if the brown w...   Feb 12 2017, 11:46 AM
rgalla9146   The brake warning light will flash if the brown ...   Feb 12 2017, 12:23 PM
vin man   [quote name='vin man' post='2453875' date='Feb 12...   Feb 12 2017, 01:31 PM
vin man   I've been doing some more research and did fin...   Feb 11 2017, 10:45 PM
AlanB   Wow, talk about the right post at the right time. ...   Feb 12 2017, 08:01 AM
Spoke   You can pull the bulb out to stop the flashing.   Feb 12 2017, 01:58 PM
vin man   You can pull the bulb out to stop the flashing. w...   Feb 12 2017, 03:45 PM
Spoke   You can pull the bulb out to stop the flashing. ...   Feb 12 2017, 05:03 PM
vin man   [quote name='vin man' post='2453938' date='Feb 12...   Feb 12 2017, 05:25 PM
Spoke   If I do as suggested and remove the bulb, breaking...   Feb 12 2017, 06:51 PM
vin man   If I do as suggested and remove the bulb, breakin...   Feb 12 2017, 09:47 PM
vin man   [quote name='vin man' post='2453959' date='Feb 1...   Feb 13 2017, 05:18 PM
Rand   Isn't there a reset button on the master cylin...   Feb 12 2017, 05:44 PM
vin man   Isn't there a reset button on the master cyli...   Feb 12 2017, 05:59 PM
ndfrigi   i did remove the bulb from the gauge 4 yrs ago. no...   Feb 12 2017, 06:09 PM
vin man   i did remove the bulb from the gauge 4 yrs ago. n...   Feb 12 2017, 06:15 PM
ndfrigi   or maybe the noise is for the door when it is open...   Feb 13 2017, 05:24 PM
Dave_Darling   The door-ajar buzzer does not sound like clicking....   Feb 13 2017, 06:05 PM
vin man   New relay will be delivered on Wednesday. switch f...   Feb 13 2017, 07:45 PM
Spoke   New relay will be delivered on Wednesday. Where...   Feb 15 2017, 12:10 PM
vin man   [quote name='vin man' post='2454367' date='Feb 13...   Feb 15 2017, 12:32 PM
Spoke   Autozone also has one. This is the one from Aut...   Feb 15 2017, 02:50 PM
vin man   [quote name='vin man' post='2454904' date='Feb 15...   Feb 15 2017, 03:00 PM
vin man   I just wanted to add some more information on what...   Feb 14 2017, 12:16 PM
vin man   Well now I'm really baffled. I replaced the r...   Feb 14 2017, 03:50 PM
914_teener   Man...ya get bonus points. Keep at it. Have you ...   Feb 14 2017, 08:17 PM
Spoke   What is the part number on that blinker. Not the p...   Feb 15 2017, 04:05 PM
vin man   A few pics. The first is the original relay tha...   Feb 15 2017, 08:35 PM
Dave_Darling   URO... Not exactly the highest quality. I believ...   Feb 15 2017, 10:23 PM
vin man   URO... Not exactly the highest quality. I belie...   Feb 16 2017, 08:35 AM
vin man   Anyone have a recommendation for a person/company ...   Feb 16 2017, 10:18 AM
scallyk9   Hmm. I've got a similar problem with the indic...   Feb 16 2017, 05:45 PM
vin man   :Qarl: Got it working! An electrical genius...   Feb 16 2017, 11:03 PM
vin man   Problem #3 Premature celebration. :headbang: On...   Feb 19 2017, 12:55 PM
vin man   Update: I was concerned that maybe I did not wire...   Feb 21 2017, 08:48 PM
Dave_Darling   Unplug the switch? --DD   Feb 21 2017, 10:55 PM
vin man   Unplug the switch? --DD Will give it a try to...   Feb 22 2017, 04:21 PM
914_teener   You rule each thing out. You test input and out ...   Feb 22 2017, 04:56 PM
vin man   Ruled out headlight switch and brake light switch....   Feb 24 2017, 09:18 PM
vin man   ok, issues 3 (and 4) resolved. After resolving Is...   Feb 28 2017, 03:37 PM
mgphoto   There are 2 diodes behind the combo gauge, the bra...   Mar 1 2017, 09:24 AM


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