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> Prayers for members Harvey and Al Weidman., The Oroville Dam E-Spillway is failing.
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post Feb 13 2017, 12:19 PM
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"We needed high speed rail more than water management in California, apparently."

Larmo, this is exactly what I was thinking.
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post Feb 13 2017, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(napasteve @ Feb 13 2017, 11:19 AM) *

"We needed high speed rail more than water management in California, apparently."

Larmo, this is exactly what I was thinking.


How else are you going to escape a 30 foot wall of water?
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post Feb 13 2017, 12:55 PM
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We need to stop calling it "High Speed Rail". It's really the Graft Express.
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post Feb 13 2017, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Feb 13 2017, 04:35 AM) *

...I hope the dam holds and the weather pattern breaks.

I think I saw they are supposed to get more rain this week.

At least it doesn't look like a Johnstown situation, and hopefully never turns into one!
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post Feb 13 2017, 11:00 PM
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Heard from Al on Facebook. He's OK. He's 26 miles up the mountain above Oroville so he's safe. He didn't respond yet about Harvey.

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post Feb 14 2017, 12:02 AM
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Sounds like Harvey and his wife are ok also, with their house on high ground.
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post Feb 14 2017, 08:02 AM
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I hope their shop is OK too.
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post Feb 14 2017, 11:52 AM
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I can never understand why people settle and develop towns under such a situation.
Like all the villages at the base of volcanoes in S. America. Seat of the pants living I guess....
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post Feb 14 2017, 12:01 PM
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Well this is the 1st time that spillway has been used. The expectations were it would function as planned. As CA has has a water shortage for so long who would conceive of a massive surplus? What you can't see from my picture is the massive volume of water behind the Dam. If this were to suddenly give way this could have reprocussion all the way down to the bay.
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post Feb 14 2017, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Feb 12 2017, 11:16 PM) *

We needed high speed rail more than water management in California, apparently.


This is why I'm happy to be in AZ now.. Jerry Brown and the CA Legislature are out of control.

Stay safe all, hopefully they will be able to pull the level down 50ft like they want to.
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post Feb 14 2017, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Feb 14 2017, 06:02 AM) *

I hope their shop is OK too.


I think the shop is at their home now. At least, I remember something to that effect. But, yes, I hope so too!

QUOTE(7TPorsh @ Feb 14 2017, 09:52 AM) *

I can never understand why people settle and develop towns under such a situation.
Like all the villages at the base of volcanoes in S. America. Seat of the pants living I guess....


Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I think Oroville was there long before the dam above it. The downtown sure looks a lot older than 1968, and Wikipedia indicates it was Ophir City until the first post office opened in 1854. Incorporated in 1906.

People have been settling in stupid places (around the world) for ages. California is no different, but maybe worse given its drought or deluge...and that other phenomenon that comes along "occasionally." Reisner's "California: A Dangerous Place" is well worth the read, whether you live here or not http://www.salon.com/2003/03/05/reisner/ I guess a lot of folks are willing to take some risk in exchange for this state's natural beauty, weather, diversity, and culture. Even so, there are some parts of it I would not want to live in. The risk is just too high.

The thing I never get is when people in other parts of the union express little concern or worse for CA—they seem to forget that CA (and its water system) are critical parts of our nation's food supply, and that CA contributes a tremendous amount of money to the federal government. We're all in this together...and I sure hope those involved can keep that dam together. What a wild pity that it wasn't fixed when the lake was nearly empty.
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post Feb 14 2017, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE(JustinMeier @ Feb 14 2017, 10:03 AM) *

QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Feb 12 2017, 11:16 PM) *

We needed high speed rail more than water management in California, apparently.


This is why I'm happy to be in AZ now.. Jerry Brown and the CA Legislature are out of control.

Stay safe all, hopefully they will be able to pull the level down 50ft like they want to.



This has nothing to do with politics.

You wouldn.t be living in Arizona if not for the government sponsered projects like Boulder Dam.

We live in a complicated environment dependent on each other at certain times.

The post was a call for prayer not for a political analysis.

Please keep that to yourself.
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post Feb 14 2017, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Feb 14 2017, 03:13 PM) *

QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Feb 14 2017, 06:02 AM) *

I hope their shop is OK too.


I think the shop is at their home now. At least, I remember something to that effect. But, yes, I hope so too!


Probably. Last time I was there he said something about a new property owner wanting to double the lease... glad they're ok...
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If you look st the picture I posted Sunday vs what's up today on the news. You will notice it's not overflowing outside the spillway anymore. You can see it (where the water was). Clearly. That's what concerned me most.


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post Feb 14 2017, 03:10 PM
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What concerns me the most are more storms and massive snow melt. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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QUOTE(RobW @ Feb 14 2017, 01:10 PM) *
What concerns me the most are more storms and massive snow melt. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Supposed to dump a lot more rain and snow melt this weekend ...
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QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Feb 14 2017, 11:09 AM) *
If you look st the picture I posted Sunday vs what's up today on the news. You will notice it's not overflowing outside the spillway anymore. You can see it (where the water was). Clearly. That's what concerned me most.

When we were camping there in September (you can actually see the campground in your pic) you would not have been able to see those boats in your picture.
The water level was so low (a good 300 feet down) that the boats would not have shown from that angle.
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post Feb 14 2017, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Feb 14 2017, 11:09 AM) *

If you look st the picture I posted Sunday vs what's up today on the news. You will notice it's not overflowing outside the spillway anymore. You can see it (where the water was). Clearly. That's what concerned me most.


In a way, your pic is better than any I have seen—in that it really shows how tiny that (massive) primary spillway is in the context of that lake.

If the lake above it is a bathtub, the main spillway is a straw, and not one from McDonalds but more like one side of those cheap, tiny "double" straws used in every office building and church of the 1980s.

Yes re: more rain and more snowmelt. This isn't good.
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I carry a cheap digital camera with me for just this occasion. The zoom isn't great but I do get to see some interesting things.

Just a matter of time. Hopefully there is enough of it to drain down to a safe level. The SMF valley looks like it's maxed out only one levy the broke on the west side, but it had a second behind it so only a few fields and a minimal number of houses affected. The levels will not be receding soon.
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post Feb 14 2017, 05:31 PM
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Me and my parents evacuated Sunday night but are in Yuba City so were able to come back the next day, can't imagine living closer and having to be gone until this clears up. We loaded up the truck and took that and my 914 on a 3 hour drive that usually takes about 25 minutes. Gotta say that was not fun with a manual transmission!

From what I know they are doing some temporary repairs to be able to keep draining water. (Giant scale sandbags basically) And they are (yesterday at least, haven't checked in today) dumping about 100,000 cubic feet of water per second down the main spillway to lower the water levels before this next storm. Hopefully it holds up well enough, the damage to it is a couple thousand feet from the dam apparently.

The cause for emergency evac was the auxiliary spillway (furthest left in that photo) as the erosion from it got really close to that concrete skirt. As far as I know the dam itself was in no danger.
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