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Golf GTI engine...? |
Pboden |
Feb 16 2017, 03:55 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 25-January 17 From: Norway Member No.: 20,782 Region Association: None |
Just recent bought a 914 with a replacement engine 1.8ltr included. It turns out that this engine also is a goner, so I need to find a new one or find an alternative.
There is a Golf gti 20v AGU engine that I may get to buy from a neighbor, but I do not know if I can make use of it in my 914. Is there records that this one is useable. Generally, are the VW Golf engine convertible? What is the most easy or best engine to start looking for? Thanks |
Mueller |
Feb 16 2017, 03:59 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
Just recent bought a 914 with a replacement engine 1.8ltr included. It turns out that this engine also is a goner, so I need to find a new one or find an alternative. There is a Golf gti 20v AGU engine that I may get to buy from a neighbor, but I do not know if I can make use of it in my 914. Is there records that this one is useable. Generally, are the VW Golf engine convertible? What is the most easy or best engine to start looking for? Thanks You'll need an engine adapter and a radiator to make that Golf motor work. Not sure if you realize neither motor is remotely related except for the VW part stamped onto it. |
Unobtanium-inc |
Feb 16 2017, 05:03 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,199 Joined: 29-November 06 From: New York Member No.: 7,276 Region Association: None |
The EASY crew in Emeryville has run a number of VW water cooled motors in their lemons 914. Jim loves to chat, might want to give him a call and ask about what they had to do to make it work, 510-653-3279
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Dave_Darling |
Feb 16 2017, 05:07 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,980 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
The best engine to start looking for varies a lot. Some people will say LS6, others will say Subaru, others will say air-cooled 911.
Realistically, the easiest engine to swap in is a 914 engine. That is what the car was built for. If you get a complete one, you can bolt it in and go--depending on how "complete" it really is. --DD |
eeyore |
Feb 16 2017, 05:52 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 889 Joined: 8-January 04 From: meridian, id Member No.: 1,533 Region Association: None |
R 4360 with hydraulic lifters.
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mepstein |
Feb 16 2017, 05:54 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,219 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
The best engine to start looking for varies a lot. Some people will say LS6, others will say Subaru, others will say air-cooled 911. Realistically, the easiest engine to swap in is a 914 engine. That is what the car was built for. If you get a complete one, you can bolt it in and go--depending on how "complete" it really is. --DD (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) an engine conversion can add thousands of dollars and years before you drive the car. |
Mueller |
Feb 16 2017, 07:18 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
The EASY crew in Emeryville has run a number of VW water cooled motors in their lemons 914. Jim loves to chat, might want to give him a call and ask about what they had to do to make it work, 510-653-3279 He used an adapter plate. Article on roadkill.com if you search EASY and 914. You will have to cut rear trunk due to height of motor. |
cali914 |
Feb 17 2017, 01:03 AM
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cali914 Group: Members Posts: 447 Joined: 26-April 06 From: Berkeley Ca. Member No.: 5,934 Region Association: Northern California |
Contact Kennedy engineering products KEP they have host of options and adapters to hook different engines in the 914
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Mikey914 |
Feb 17 2017, 01:06 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,638 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
Real question is what are you trying to do ?
Do you want to do the modifications necessary to put another engine in because the engine is less expensive? Or, are you looking to up the power significantly? If you are upping the power, you will want better suspension, and brakes. All of this adds up, so if you are focused on a specific goal and want to look at total costs and time, it is a longer route, but it will yield a unique ride that will be a journey that is not faint of heart. You can easily drop 15k. If you want a car that runs and drives, look in the classifieds, you can often find motors in various configurations that you may find suitable. If you have the space, tools and aptitude, you may want to rebuild it yourself. Too many projects get stalled when the technical issues pop up and the cash runs out. Put together a budget for the project and plan accordingly. You will be in a better position to deal with surprises. Best wishes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
falcor75 |
Feb 17 2017, 01:47 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,579 Joined: 22-November 12 From: Sweden Member No.: 15,176 Region Association: Scandinavia |
Real question is what are you trying to do ? Do you want to do the modifications necessary to put another engine in because the engine is less expensive? Or, are you looking to up the power significantly? If you are upping the power, you will want better suspension, and brakes. All of this adds up, so if you are focused on a specific goal and want to look at total costs and time, it is a longer route, but it will yield a unique ride that will be a journey that is not faint of heart. You can easily drop 15k. If you want a car that runs and drives, look in the classifieds, you can often find motors in various configurations that you may find suitable. If you have the space, tools and aptitude, you may want to rebuild it yourself. Too many projects get stalled when the technical issues pop up and the cash runs out. Put together a budget for the project and plan accordingly. You will be in a better position to deal with surprises. Best wishes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) The old saying for building and modifying cars, make a realistic budget and time plan. Then tripple your intitial cost and double the time. |
steuspeed |
Feb 17 2017, 01:50 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,005 Joined: 12-July 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 13,308 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Re-build what you have or find another one the same year.
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mgp4591 |
Feb 17 2017, 02:23 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,363 Joined: 1-August 12 From: Salt Lake City Ut Member No.: 14,748 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
It may also depend on what you have readily available in Norway.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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SirAndy |
Feb 17 2017, 12:45 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,602 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
The EASY crew in Emeryville has run a number of VW water cooled motors in their lemons 914. Jim loves to chat, might want to give him a call and ask about what they had to do to make it work, 510-653-3279 I had my hands all over that car numerous times. The only thing 914 left on it is parts of the rear firewall and maybe (?) the windshield. Not exactly an ideal blueprint for converting a stock 914 ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
Mike Bellis |
Feb 17 2017, 12:52 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None |
The 1.8L 20V from the GTI is almost the same as the Passat. Main differences are the intake and cooling lines. If the motor comes from a manual tranny car, it will bolt right up to a Passat or Boxster tranny.
Do not buy an automatic motor or you will have to change the crank to a manual crank. Two motors are not interchangeable. A 1.8 and Passat tranny are easy to put in a 914. Ask me how I know... |
Dave_Darling |
Feb 17 2017, 03:37 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,980 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
The question then is "easy" for who? There are a lot of things that are easy for you that would be just about impossible for me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
--DD |
914forme |
Feb 17 2017, 04:16 PM
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Times a wastin', get wrenchin'! Group: Members Posts: 3,896 Joined: 24-July 04 From: Dayton, Ohio Member No.: 2,388 Region Association: None |
The old saying for building and modifying cars, make a realistic budget and time plan. Then tripple your intitial cost and double the time. I would say the budget side is correct. It is a 914 so once on jack stands they tend to stay there. So you need to Double your time line, than multiple that by 5 to 10. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) |
Andyrew |
Feb 17 2017, 04:38 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
The 1.8L 20V from the GTI is almost the same as the Passat. Main differences are the intake and cooling lines. If the motor comes from a manual tranny car, it will bolt right up to a Passat or Boxster tranny. Do not buy an automatic motor or you will have to change the crank to a manual crank. Two motors are not interchangeable. A 1.8 and Passat tranny are easy to put in a 914. Ask me how I know... Or you could shave off the crank and put a different pilot bearing on an automatic.. Remember, my engine was an auto. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
Mike Bellis |
Feb 17 2017, 04:47 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None |
The question then is "easy" for who? There are a lot of things that are easy for you that would be just about impossible for me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) --DD Ditto. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
Mike Bellis |
Feb 17 2017, 04:48 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None |
The 1.8L 20V from the GTI is almost the same as the Passat. Main differences are the intake and cooling lines. If the motor comes from a manual tranny car, it will bolt right up to a Passat or Boxster tranny. Do not buy an automatic motor or you will have to change the crank to a manual crank. Two motors are not interchangeable. A 1.8 and Passat tranny are easy to put in a 914. Ask me how I know... Or you could shave off the crank and put a different pilot bearing on an automatic.. Remember, my engine was an auto. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Agreed but that still means pulling the crank and a rebuild. |
Andyrew |
Feb 18 2017, 10:32 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
The 1.8L 20V from the GTI is almost the same as the Passat. Main differences are the intake and cooling lines. If the motor comes from a manual tranny car, it will bolt right up to a Passat or Boxster tranny. Do not buy an automatic motor or you will have to change the crank to a manual crank. Two motors are not interchangeable. A 1.8 and Passat tranny are easy to put in a 914. Ask me how I know... Or you could shave off the crank and put a different pilot bearing on an automatic.. Remember, my engine was an auto. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Agreed but that still means pulling the crank and a rebuild. Nope, you can do it with the crank in place. I did mine with an angle grinder (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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