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> 914-6 runs HOT - solved?
767driver
post Feb 26 2017, 03:28 PM
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Hi guys,

Lurked here for a number of years and have finally landed a 914-6. It's a 1970 with it's numbers-matching case running a (stock?) 66mm crank and 86mm pistons for a displacement of 2.3L. It runs Solex cams and 40 Webers. It's only got about 600 miles since rebuild. So the engine is somewhat upgraded but nothing too wild.

When I drove it the 45 mostly-highway miles to my house I noticed it was getting a bit warm. The weather was about 60 degrees. The indicator on the factory oil temp gauge was reading about 3/4. The next day I took the car for a nice "getting acquainted" kind of run on mixed highway and country roads. After 25 minutes on the highway at 80 mph and about 3500 rpms it was getting really warm...almost touching the hashed red part of the hot end of the scale. I immediately went over to a buddy's shop and shot an IR thermometer at the rear of the oil cooler. Got temps of 220 or so at top of cooler and 250-260 at bottom. The cooler still has a Stoddard Porsche decal on it. I checked and the cooler is the $1335 German-made part. Oil quantity ok.

Now I know this is not enough motor to overload the factory oil cooling assuming everything is working correctly. I took the thermostat out of the car and performed the pot-of-hot-water-with-thermometer-trick and verified it opens and closes as it should. I guess the in-dash gauge could be wrong, but the IR thermometer seemed to confirm the high reading. All the tins appear to be in place. I have read the cylinder baffles can be installed upside down causing issues. And that the cylinders themselves can be installed upside down. I guess that new-ish oil cooler might be defective...that's an engine drop...right? Ignition timing, cam timing, fuel mixture need to be checked. And none of the cabin heating air tubes are on the car. The 2 supply ducts off either side of the engine cooling fan duct are capped. Is the fact that no fan air is going through the heat exchangers causing the one under the oil cooler to run hot enough to cause the high oil temps? ANSWER: YES

So...what have I forgotten or overlooked here. I had 2 VERY knowledgeable Porschephiles tell me that barring an oil cooler issue it is almost surely a hot bearing (youch!) making that kind of heat.

Any thoughts or ideas are appreciated.

1970 914-6
VIN 9140432125
Engine 6405400

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767driver   914-6 runs HOT - solved?   Feb 26 2017, 03:28 PM
PlantMan   :wttc: Better post some pics cause most of us wan...   Feb 26 2017, 03:38 PM
PlantMan   BTW congrats on the car!   Feb 26 2017, 03:39 PM
Perry Kiehl   260* is too hot, but you can get a spike in temp a...   Feb 26 2017, 03:51 PM
plays with cars   Check your ignition timing. Should be ~32-34 at 6...   Feb 26 2017, 04:11 PM
jfort   Mine ran too hot and it was tuned correctly. I put...   Feb 26 2017, 04:22 PM
mskala   I have almost this exact setup. My cams are Dough...   Feb 26 2017, 04:58 PM
mb911   :agree: I have a similar engine I am building th...   Feb 26 2017, 05:06 PM
BK911   If the car sat it could have mice nests on top of ...   Feb 26 2017, 06:12 PM
gereed75   Timing will have a dramatic effect on cylinder hea...   Feb 26 2017, 07:36 PM
rgalla9146   Have you checked the fan belt ?   Feb 26 2017, 08:38 PM
Rand   Have you checked the fan belt ? I thought he was...   Feb 26 2017, 08:40 PM
mskala   Also I did some experiments and running without a ...   Feb 26 2017, 09:04 PM
sixaddict   something up...should not need added cooling at cu...   Feb 26 2017, 09:17 PM
porschetub   All the right answers from many,but the OP has fai...   Feb 27 2017, 02:15 AM
Perry Kiehl   To summarize in order of ease: Check fan belt. C...   Feb 27 2017, 07:47 AM
rgalla9146   Advanced timing will lead to hard cranking and pin...   Feb 27 2017, 08:09 AM
forrestkhaag   Beautiful acquisition. My favorite color :troph...   Feb 27 2017, 10:55 AM
toolguy   Timing. . mixture/carbs. . or this. . . all the ...   Feb 27 2017, 11:35 AM
767driver   Thanks for all the replies...and keep them coming...   Feb 27 2017, 01:26 PM
rgalla9146   An additional oil cooler should not be necessary o...   Feb 27 2017, 05:18 PM
porschetub   You would hope that the OP's engine builder al...   Feb 27 2017, 01:35 PM
porbmw   There are far more knowledgeable persons than I wh...   Feb 27 2017, 01:38 PM
porschetub   There are far more knowledgeable persons than I w...   Feb 27 2017, 03:41 PM
767driver   There are far more knowledgeable persons than I w...   Feb 27 2017, 04:14 PM
mskala   If you want to check the various gauge components:...   Feb 27 2017, 04:20 PM
Cairo94507   Here they are. I believe they came standard be...   Feb 27 2017, 05:54 PM
Justinp71   Here they are. I believe they came standard be...   Feb 27 2017, 06:40 PM
Dave_Darling   I guess these help because at higher speeds the fl...   Feb 28 2017, 02:48 PM
Justinp71   In 60f Weather on the freeway I'd think the ca...   Feb 27 2017, 06:48 PM
914forme   What RPM is your engine turning on these highway r...   Feb 27 2017, 07:41 PM
toolguy   What RPM is your engine turning on these highway ...   Feb 27 2017, 08:02 PM
billh1963   What RPM is your engine turning on these highway...   Feb 28 2017, 02:37 PM
767driver   I haven't driven the car in a couple of days a...   Feb 28 2017, 04:24 PM
767driver   And now I have found this thread...see posts 5 and...   Feb 28 2017, 04:43 PM
gereed75   Rgalla, not trying to be argumentative or steal t...   Feb 28 2017, 05:10 PM
rgalla9146   Rgalla, not trying to be argumentative or steal ...   Mar 1 2017, 11:07 AM
767driver   And from the owner's manual graph you can see ...   Feb 28 2017, 05:11 PM
mskala   Don't assume speedo and tach are super accurat...   Feb 28 2017, 09:21 PM
Kansas 914   Don't assume speedo and tach are super accura...   Mar 1 2017, 09:02 AM
gereed75   Ok I can see that. Knew EGT would rise and that co...   Mar 1 2017, 03:08 PM
Justinp71   If it only has 600 miles on the motor, maybe it st...   Mar 3 2017, 04:35 PM
Wdunster   I am running a 2.4 e cams 9.5-1 compression mag ca...   Mar 4 2017, 09:13 AM
767driver   UPDATE: I might have found the answer today... A...   Mar 21 2017, 05:42 PM
767driver   A picture (not my car) of a heat-exchanger with th...   Mar 21 2017, 05:44 PM
Eric_Shea   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.a...   Mar 21 2017, 06:16 PM
JmuRiz   Excellent, glad you got it fixed!   Mar 21 2017, 08:06 PM
Perry Kiehl   Always nice to see a problem resolved, especially ...   Mar 21 2017, 08:23 PM
Cairo94507   Great work and investigative know-how. :trophy: ...   Mar 21 2017, 10:03 PM
gereed75   Nice work. Isnt it amazing that Grady's voice ...   Mar 21 2017, 11:43 PM
rgalla9146   Nice work. Isnt it amazing that Grady's voice...   Mar 22 2017, 07:56 AM
porschetub   can't for a minute see how this sorted the iss...   Mar 22 2017, 01:53 AM
gereed75   Tub, the heat exchangers on the stock headers effe...   Mar 22 2017, 06:45 AM
Perry Kiehl   To take gereed75's theory a step further, if t...   Mar 22 2017, 07:03 AM
bretth   Years ago I rigged an electric fan in the spare wh...   Mar 22 2017, 07:14 AM
Justinp71   Wow, what a difference. Nice find! Thanks for ...   Mar 22 2017, 11:26 AM
porschetub   So they basically cease being a heatexchanger with...   Mar 22 2017, 12:51 PM
767driver   So they basically cease being a heatexchanger wit...   Mar 22 2017, 01:12 PM
gereed75   That says a lot Glad you got that worked out. I ...   Mar 22 2017, 01:41 PM
767driver   That says a lot Glad you got that worked out. I...   Mar 22 2017, 03:23 PM
porschetub   That says a lot Glad you got that worked out. ...   Mar 23 2017, 08:14 PM
rudedude   I can't wait to put this theory to test in min...   Mar 22 2017, 03:40 PM


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