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gms
post Mar 30 2017, 01:14 PM
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The side vents on the dash are a give away that it is probably not a 914/6 part

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If this is a real /6 then how come it has a later style jack holder in the rear trunk? what's the vin on the right front fender say?



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Chassis number in trunk?

Is it possible to take a pic of the underside of the dash while it is still installed to see what is there?


Unfortunately, no. You need to remove the entire dash carrier frame to see the handwritten chassis number. But, this has a 6 dash so it most likely was taken from the same car as the windshield VIN tag, so it would match.
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post Mar 30 2017, 01:39 PM
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post Mar 30 2017, 01:45 PM
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The vin # is listed in the 914-6 database here under current owner and member: drgchapman

Glenn, this is the guy who was selling the 914-6 tool kit for $450.
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post Mar 30 2017, 02:16 PM
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Ok....sorry about the rash statement made about someone I thought was making a rash statement. Did not look that closely at the pictures and missed the rash on the car.

Standing by my statement about Craig....expert with integrity intact.
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post Mar 30 2017, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(Mike Fitton @ Mar 30 2017, 12:45 PM) *

The vin # is listed in the 914-6 database here under current owner and member: drgchapman

Glenn, this is the guy who was selling the 914-6 tool kit for $450.

If drgchapman is the current owner, I can say that he's a stand up guy AFIK. He did a favor for me about 10 years ago, which was much appreciated at the time. Not many people would volunteer to help a world member out using their time and effort but drgchapman did so for me.

As far as the car, 15 years ago a 914/6 was worth 9-10K and many were rebuilt or redone in a variety of ways. Dug would know from experience. I would agree and recommend a full inspection. I would be all over this car if I didn't have the same kind of thing in my garage already.

+1 on Craig as well.
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post Mar 30 2017, 02:45 PM
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C'mon Dug. FYI Craig is one of the foremost "experts" and knows the difference between a real six and a fake one and his integrity is unquestionable.

I agree with Dug, this looks like a 1973-74 914/4 body with some 914/6 parts. I will be happy to comment on specific photos if you would like.

Check the jack location not a six

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post Mar 30 2017, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(RobW @ Mar 30 2017, 12:32 PM) *

QUOTE(Mike Fitton @ Mar 30 2017, 12:45 PM) *

The vin # is listed in the 914-6 database here under current owner and member: drgchapman

Glenn, this is the guy who was selling the 914-6 tool kit for $450.

If drgchapman is the current owner, I can say that he's a stand up guy AFIK. He did a favor for me about 10 years ago, which was much appreciated at the time. Not many people would volunteer to help a world member out using their time and effort but drgchapman did so for me.

As far as the car, 15 years ago a 914/6 was worth 9-10K and many were rebuilt or redone in a variety of ways. Dug would know from experience. I would agree and recommend a full inspection. I would be all over this car if I didn't have the same kind of thing in my garage already.

+1 on Craig as well.



Why transfer the 914-6 vin number then, if that is all that is from the original 6? Not cool in my opinion.
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post Mar 30 2017, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE(Mike Fitton @ Mar 30 2017, 01:52 PM) *

QUOTE(RobW @ Mar 30 2017, 12:32 PM) *

QUOTE(Mike Fitton @ Mar 30 2017, 12:45 PM) *

The vin # is listed in the 914-6 database here under current owner and member: drgchapman

Glenn, this is the guy who was selling the 914-6 tool kit for $450.

If drgchapman is the current owner, I can say that he's a stand up guy AFIK. He did a favor for me about 10 years ago, which was much appreciated at the time. Not many people would volunteer to help a world member out using their time and effort but drgchapman did so for me.

As far as the car, 15 years ago a 914/6 was worth 9-10K and many were rebuilt or redone in a variety of ways. Dug would know from experience. I would agree and recommend a full inspection. I would be all over this car if I didn't have the same kind of thing in my garage already.

+1 on Craig as well.



Why transfer the 914-6 vin number then, if that is all that is from the original 6? Not cool in my opinion.

$$ and I agree..nothing six on that car....but it still cool
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post Mar 30 2017, 03:05 PM
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In my original text and emails to and from the owner of this car, it is a 1970 914-6. I sent the selller a text regarding the comments on the 914 world and this is what I got back.
"they are correct, the 914-6 was grafted to a 74 tub. The guy I bought it from as a rotissserie restoration did the work. The left fender has the 914 VIN on it.
So, I will list it as a 914-6 conversion. Thand you 914 world for making me take a closer look at this car. The car came in late Sunday and I took a few pics and the information I was given and listed it here without doing my due dilegence.
Honestly, I would not list a conversion as a real six if I knew that it was a conversion. Obviously it is going to get found out somewhere , sometime.
Craig at CAMP

Ouch. Seller really needs to explain that upfront. A less friendly group of people would call that fraud.
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post Mar 30 2017, 03:18 PM
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I'll start the bidding at $18,000. It does have a 3.2L in it and looks fairly clean despite the dirty history now attached to the car.
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post Mar 30 2017, 03:18 PM
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Why transfer the 914-6 vin number then, if that is all that is from the original 6? Not cool in my opinion.

Looking through drgchapman posting history, he started selling lots of original /6 parts starting around July 2012.

I think it's pretty clear how and when that /4 tub got its /6 VIN ...
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post Mar 30 2017, 03:34 PM
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So now that we all know it's a conversion does the price drop.....
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The guy who did the conversion , built the way he wanted and had to sell it..no mystery, I brought the 3.2 up from CA for Gary,,, there is a build post on some 914 forum somewhere.... Its a conversion that happens to have a 914 serial number.. leave it at that.. good racecar/hotrod
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post Mar 30 2017, 05:15 PM
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Its a conversion that happens to have a 914 serial number.. leave it at that.

I'm not sure why you think fraud should be left alone and not talked about?
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post Mar 30 2017, 05:17 PM
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Its a conversion that happens to have a 914 serial number.. leave it at that.

I'm not sure why you think fraud should be left alone and not talked about?
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it can be, but its clearly not a OG six..find the original build on the car..
its been misrepresented.. not by the owner. is what I am saying,
doesn't make it right....what guys do who buy Chinese Camaro/57 Chevy/Charger body's and their VINs,
buyer beware

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Its a conversion that happens to have a 914 serial number.. leave it at that.

I'm not sure why you think fraud should be left alone and not talked about?
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it can be, but its clearly not a OG six..find the original build on the car..
its been misrepresented.. not by the owner. is what I am saying

There is only one reason i can think of why someone would put a /6 VIN on a /4 car.
Someone made the conscious decision to swap the VIN on this car and there is no doubt about the motive.

If you read the first post in this thread, it's also clear that the current owner "forgot" to inform Craig about that little detail when he asked him to sell the car for him.
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post Mar 30 2017, 06:00 PM
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Is a vin altered car legal to sell?
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Is a vin altered car legal to sell?


I don't believe so.
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If it is registered with the swapped in 914-6 vin # then it is fraud right?
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