Ford Solenoid Hot Start installation instructions, Mark Henry's method Options

[brainf18]

Mark, I've been fighting hot start (i.e. no start) issues for some time and came across your thread. Followed your instructions and voilà problem solved for under $50! The only thing I wish I'd had is a custom bracket for mounting...but gently bending the tab and securing under the lower starter bolt works really well. Thanks so much for posting how to fix this! Much appreciated my friend!

[Montreal914]

Nice car! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)
6" steel wheels?

[sixnotfour]

Nice car! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)
6" steel wheels?

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just did the upgrade to an Allis Chalmers forklift..#1

[Mark Henry]

Ford used different mount brackets for different cars and trucks, that's why there's several styles of mounts. I prefer the bracket style shown at the start of this thread, but they can all be made to work.

[brainf18]

Nice car! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drooley.gif)
6" steel wheels?

I get this question alot. I went for a low cost "vintage" look. Wheels are 5.5x15 from Sierra Madre ($60 each). Studs and lugs for mounting ($112). Tires are Achilles ATR 2's. Made by bridgestone they are great tires at a very low cost ($200 for a set of 4)


Steel Wheels

Wheel Studs

Lug nuts

Tires

[pcdarks]

Not to beat a dead horse but I found this solenoid. It's 12 volt and comes with a slide terminal to match the wire coming from the ignition switch.

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/b/standa...enoid&pos=6

[rhodyguy]

This thread should be in the Classic Forum.

[Mark Henry]

This thread should be in the Classic Forum.

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[rhodyguy]

Not removed from here, shared in the classic.

[black73]

The Classic Forum should be a sticky at the top of the Garage, since that's where most of the traffic is. I forget the Classic forum exists sometimes.

[barefoot]

Not to beat a dead horse but I found this solenoid. It's 12 volt and comes with a slide terminal to match the wire coming from the ignition switch.

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/b/standa...enoid&pos=6

You don't need the Ford or this rarther heavy duty solenoid, I used a such smaller one sourced from Amazon, works just fine as you're only carrying small amperage.

[Shivers]

I got introduced to the hot start problem in 1982. In 92, ish, I got the hot start band aid sold at aa. And it worked. But I was concerned it would fail. But this is that on steroids. Had lots of old fords, never had to replace the relay. I started modifying my car in the 80's, so this would be a permanent fix to a poor design on a car driven in a warm/hot climate. I'm to old to be push starting a car by myself. And it had a habit of not starting when I was alone...On a hill...Parallel parked between two cars, parked too close. Thanks.

[914Sixer]

Another option is Bosch WR1 starter Kit. $27-$36 depending on where you shop

[Mark Henry]

Not to beat a dead horse but I found this solenoid. It's 12 volt and comes with a slide terminal to match the wire coming from the ignition switch.

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/b/standa...enoid&pos=6

You don't need the Ford or this rarther heavy duty solenoid, I used a such smaller one sourced from Amazon, works just fine as you're only carrying small amperage.

Guess you didn't read the first post. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
I have literally hundreds of these running around from bugs, buses, 914, etc. so you won't be changing my mind on the value of this very simple and cheap fix.

I got introduced to the hot start problem in 1982. In 92, ish, I got the hot start band aid sold at aa. And it worked. But I was concerned it would fail. But this is that on steroids. Had lots of old fords, never had to replace the relay. I started modifying my car in the 80's, so this would be a permanent fix to a poor design on a car driven in a warm/hot climate. I'm to old to be push starting a car by myself. And it had a habit of not starting when I was alone...On a hill...Parallel parked between two cars, parked too close. Thanks.

Common story, I've replaced dozens of the Bosch relay fix with my Ford Solenoid fix.

[Mark Henry]

Cool tool that every 914 owner should (at minimum) have in their toolbox, a Channellock 909 terminal crimping tool. made in the USA, $30 CAD or about $20 USD.

Perfect crimp pliers for this project.
Known by some as "The Tooth", it makes a perfect dimple for excellent strong connections. I've misplaced my trusty old Panduit crimp pliers, so I bought the 909 and so far I like the crimps better than my old pliers

https://www.amazon.com/Channellock-909-Crim...uct_top?ie=UTF8

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[ClayPerrine]

I just use a IMI gear drive starter. No hot start problem since I put it on.

IMI High Torque Gear Drive Starter

No, it is not cheap. But I have been running the same IMI starter, without replacement , on my red 914 for years now. I originally put it on the 2.0L 4 cylinder to cure the hot start issue. I moved it to the 2.4L 911ST engine when I did the six conversion, and that same starter still spins the 4.0L monster motor with no issues.

I figure that starter will outlast the car. :cranky:

[Olympic 914]

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[Mark Henry]

Another option is Bosch WR1 starter Kit. $27-$36 depending on where you shop

Right in my 1st post my opinion is this fix is CRAP. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
Also said it's not a debate if you don't like it then move along.

It's not a "starter kit" it's a VW Ghia horn relay. Look at that jangle of wires you have to hack in! You have to install it in the engine bay ..are you going to use a self tapping screw.

I just ripped one out today and I'll be doing my fix thank you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I just use a IMI gear drive starter. No hot start problem since I put it on.

IMI High Torque Gear Drive Starter

No, it is not cheap. But I have been running the same IMI starter, without replacement , on my red 914 for years now. I originally put it on the 2.0L 4 cylinder to cure the hot start issue. I moved it to the 2.4L 911ST engine when I did the six conversion, and that same starter still spins the 4.0L monster motor with no issues.

I figure that starter will outlast the car. :cranky:

I also have an Hi-Torque in my /6 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
Starts my /6 good!!
I still have the Ford bit only because I didn't take it off when I put in the Hi-torque starter. I should try without, I bet the Hi-torque only needs 3-4 amps to kick in, much like what the Ford solenoid needs.
The problem is with the Bosch solenoid that needs a full 9 amps to kick in.

[LefthandRev]

Did this today. Used a $17 solenoid from O'Reilly. Here's the link to the part.

The 90 degree mounting plate makes it easy to attach to the starter mounting bolt. Ream out the 3 o'clock hole on the mounting plate. No need to bend anything.

Wire yellow to the "S" lug on the new solenoid/relay.

Female blade wire on the 9 o'clock lug, if "S" is noon. 14" wire.
Eyelet terminal mounts to the 3 o'clock lug. 12" wire.


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[Mark Henry]

Just had my first no start in ages, had to get a push. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Tested my ford solenoid, no problem there, starter kicked right in.
Cleaned a few grounds...nope.
I was about to dive into my ignition switch, then decided to check my seat belt interlock under the passenger seat. I had disabled it years ago by just pulling one of the relays, which 20 years ago was SOP.
I did a quick thread search (thanks Clay), pulled and connected the two big yellow wires and I was back in business.

Moral is you still have to check all your connections...but get the easy stuff out of the way first.